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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 2:55 pm Post subject: Jude 7....Homosexuallity Destroyed. |
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As our nation is accepting sinful practices into mainstream socieity, we are getting closer to God's judgments, which will bring death and destruction upon this nation.
REMEMBER: Jude 7 is God's example ! _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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thunder Lion King

Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 6:38 pm Post subject: There was a bit of ... |
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There was a bit of ... news on the sixty minutes production tonite that dealt with major players in recent porography video's being published.
The business is so profitable that major corporations, that do business in the new york stock exchange, are investment contributer's in the production of the popular " adult video " market in the U.S. and internationally.
It is no longer just a seedy business done in warehouses any more and the big money corporations are cashing in on the porn world video manufacturing and delivery.
I love america and I have spent plenty of time in harms way while in the U.S. armed forces but, it certainly is disturbing that capitalism has fed the seed of greed in prompting such poor business practices and the attitude that must be present there concerning the making of money.
The norm has become " what ever makes money," and it seems that there is little or no moral discipline in the heart of business america any more.
Maybe I am nieve concerning their practices until today since I am a forty hour a week laborer and I rarely look at the big business practices and returns, much less know exactly how they make their money.
That said, even though these corporations are busy practicing this seedy craft, there is a market for the product or else they would not be making money so, the bulk of the blame also rests on their customer's, sales.
Some of the topics discussed on this site involves many moral codes being broken down by sheer masses of people who choose to believe the lie that is being touted as saying that homosexuality is a proper activity and belief system worthy of being pursued.
Each are more straws on the cart that eventually collapses under the burden of carrying sin toward the final conflict and eventual judgement of God, promised to come by God himself.
When I was young I thought and hoped that I could make a difference and help people to see the judgement coming so that they would open their eyes, be converted to righteous living and to perhaps aleviate the need for God to carry out the end as written.
Again, I was young and nieve and thought that it is the purpose of the church to lead people in such a way to make it be that there is no judgement necessary but, I was wrong in that belief.
There is a need for that judgement and the bible is simply a note to us from God to be a warning of a certain upcoming judgement by God against sin and all people and all corporations and all national governments and all churches and religious system's, who's sins are not covered by the blood of the Lamb.
Yes ... it is scary but a gleem of light shines down out of heaven to remind me that my hope rests assured in Christ that, He is my savior.
I have never desired to be a prophet of doom and gloom and hell fire and brimstone but, the truth is, the new jerusalem is nearly complete and ready to be inhabited by the saints and children of God.
thunder _________________ Submit to God in Christ |
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Da Blonde Bombshell Cobra

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Posts: 461 Location: Brooklyn NY (formerly TX)
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Jude does not specify what constituted the 'sexual immorality' referred to.
When you have divorced and remarried people in church pews "Amen!" =ing their pastor's attacks on homosexuals as we do today, those specifics matter. _________________ "Count it all joy, my brethren, when you meet various trials." (James 1:2)
"The tendency to claim God as an ally for our partisan values and ends is the source of all religious fanaticism." -Reinhold Niebuhr |
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Van King Kong
Joined: 19 Oct 2002 Posts: 2646 Location: San Clemente, California
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| The idea that we cannot condemn homosexual behavior because of the lack of specific detail in the text is a fiction. Sexual gratification outside marriage between a man and a woman is considered sexual imorality in the Bible. Jesus goes so far as to say if you think about it with lust in your heart it is wrong. That is why in another age, modesty, plain appearance, and the like were thought to be virtueous. |
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Da Blonde Bombshell Cobra

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Posts: 461 Location: Brooklyn NY (formerly TX)
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Van wrote: | | The idea that we cannot condemn homosexual behavior because of the lack of specific detail in the text is a fiction. |
Can, as equals have the ability to, yes. Should, no.
When detail is lacking, erring on the side of caution is advisable. Too many conservative Christians are quick on the draw with the condemnation and that damages Christianity in general.
| Quote: | | Sexual gratification outside marriage between a man and a woman is considered sexual imorality in the Bible. |
Considering plural marriage, concubinage, and rape of captive women and servants were acceptable then, any consideration of such is ridiculous. We are a much more moral people than the ancient Hebrews even on their best days because of our ability to put love first. The Bible is a poor guide to marriage and sex.
| Quote: | | Jesus goes so far as to say if you think about it with lust in your heart it is wrong. |
Yet when former President Jimmy Carter had admitted he had done so, it was not the average folks who condemned him for it but the conservatives.
| Quote: | | That is why in another age, modesty, plain appearance, and the like were thought to be virtueous. |
That only provided a false security. Everyone is 100% responsible for their own behavior. Lustful people will seek liaisons with others they deem attractive whether they're naked or in a burkha. _________________ "Count it all joy, my brethren, when you meet various trials." (James 1:2)
"The tendency to claim God as an ally for our partisan values and ends is the source of all religious fanaticism." -Reinhold Niebuhr |
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Van King Kong
Joined: 19 Oct 2002 Posts: 2646 Location: San Clemente, California
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 5:43 am Post subject: |
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More fiction and rejection of the truth of the Bible.
Does the bible teach we should compare ourselves in a favorable light with the ancient Hebrews? No it does not. We are to be like Christ. |
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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| Da Blonde Bombshell wrote: | Jude does not specify what constituted the 'sexual immorality' referred to.
When you have divorced and remarried people in church pews "Amen!" =ing their pastor's attacks on homosexuals as we do today, those specifics matter. | God will do what he has said...period.
He gives his warnings in love...that people will heed his warnings, and live, but the choice is up to them. _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| Van wrote: | | The idea that we cannot condemn homosexual behavior because of the lack of specific detail in the text is a fiction. Sexual gratification outside marriage between a man and a woman is considered sexual imorality in the Bible. Jesus goes so far as to say if you think about it with lust in your heart it is wrong. That is why in another age, modesty, plain appearance, and the like were thought to be virtueous. | "THat which is esteemed by men...is an abomination in the sight of God", (Luke 16:15). _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Van wrote: | More fiction and rejection of the truth of the Bible.
Does the bible teach we should compare ourselves in a favorable light with the ancient Hebrews? No it does not. We are to be like Christ. | If you knew your Bible...you would know that it was Christ that destroyed the people of Sodom and Gommorah...for their sins. _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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Da Blonde Bombshell Cobra

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Posts: 461 Location: Brooklyn NY (formerly TX)
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | If you knew your Bible...you would know that it was Christ that destroyed the people of Sodom and Gommorah...for their sins.[/color] |
Of which having loving relationships was not one. _________________ "Count it all joy, my brethren, when you meet various trials." (James 1:2)
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Matthias Tadpole

Joined: 15 Dec 2003 Posts: 24 Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:33 am Post subject: |
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Do NOT confuse a loving relationship with a SEXUAL one. They are not the same. Two girlfriends can love one another, and yet have wonderful monogonous marriages with their husbands. That is completely holy. What is NOT is SEX between two same-sex people.
Don't try to blur the lines, Blondie. _________________ God Bless! |
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Da Blonde Bombshell Cobra

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Posts: 461 Location: Brooklyn NY (formerly TX)
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| Matthias wrote: | Do NOT confuse a loving relationship with a SEXUAL one. They are not the same. Two girlfriends can love one another, and yet have wonderful monogonous marriages with their husbands. That is completely holy. What is NOT is SEX between two same-sex people.
Don't try to blur the lines, Blondie. |
I disagree with you and would suggest to you if you believe sex with someone of the same gender is wrong, then, don't do it. But many other Christians believe otherwise and find your judgementalism offensive. It would be better if instead of horning in on others' relationships if you would just mind your own business. _________________ "Count it all joy, my brethren, when you meet various trials." (James 1:2)
"The tendency to claim God as an ally for our partisan values and ends is the source of all religious fanaticism." -Reinhold Niebuhr |
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Matthias Tadpole

Joined: 15 Dec 2003 Posts: 24 Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:04 am Post subject: |
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Blondie, that is considered flaming. Do not tell me to mind my own business on a PUBLIC DEBATE FORUM! I have freedom of speech, and to deny me that is to show exactly how prejudiced you yourself are. _________________ God Bless! |
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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| Da Blonde Bombshell wrote: | | Matthias wrote: | Do NOT confuse a loving relationship with a SEXUAL one. They are not the same. Two girlfriends can love one another, and yet have wonderful monogonous marriages with their husbands. That is completely holy. What is NOT is SEX between two same-sex people.
Don't try to blur the lines, Blondie. |
I disagree with you and would suggest to you if you believe sex with someone of the same gender is wrong, then, don't do it. But many other Christians believe otherwise and find your judgementalism offensive. It would be better if instead of horning in on others' relationships if you would just mind your own business. | Yes, the Bible says 'judge no man'.
If people ignore God's warnings....they will pay the price for that in the Day of God's Judgment !
God has given enough warnings what he will do to homosexuals in the Bible....and God never changes ! _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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Da Blonde Bombshell Cobra

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Posts: 461 Location: Brooklyn NY (formerly TX)
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Matthias wrote: | | Blondie, that is considered flaming. Do not tell me to mind my own business on a PUBLIC DEBATE FORUM! I have freedom of speech, and to deny me that is to show exactly how prejudiced you yourself are. |
Sure, you have freedom, but that's not what this's about: if you think it's sin, don't do it, but leave other folks alone. Just advice. feel free to ignore.... _________________ "Count it all joy, my brethren, when you meet various trials." (James 1:2)
"The tendency to claim God as an ally for our partisan values and ends is the source of all religious fanaticism." -Reinhold Niebuhr |
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