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Key of Twilight Big Hamster

Joined: 17 Jun 2008 Posts: 97
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: The Obesity Epidemic |
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People should not buy into what the mainstream wants them to think when it comes to body image. I laugh every time someone gets told they are overweight according to the "Body Mass Index" and believe it. The BMI was never meant to be a tool for diagnosing people as over or under weight.
read up on it....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index
| Quote: | | Obesity is a condition in which the natural energy reserve, stored in the fatty tissue of humans and other mammals, exceeds healthy limits. Some studies show that excessive body weight has been shown to predispose to various diseases, particularly cardiovascular diseases, diabetes mellitus type 2, sleep apnea and osteoarthritis. ...obesity is an individual clinical condition. |
You cannot tell if someone is within their health limits by how many pounds they weigh. Nor can you presume that someone who is "overweight" suffers from any of the diseases associated with obesity.
Epidemic: affecting many persons at the same time, and spreading from person to person in a locality where the disease is not permanently prevalent.
The use of the word "Epidemic" when it comes to the rise in weight gain in America is simply a scare tactic too exaggerate what is really going on. We ARE putting on weight in America. This is due to many factors including major contributors like our sedentary lifestyle and poor eating habits.
However, being "overweight" does not mean that you are unhealthy! Many people who are "overweight" are perfectly healthy, and there is a rise in stereotypes and discrimination against larger people in America. The average American walking down the street sees a "fat" person and immediately classifies them as unhealthy, they have no will power, they don't love or care about themselves, they are lazy, etc.... These are repugnant stereotypes and are very hurtful.
If you are happy with the way you are great, if you are not change(within reason). Never let someone else define your self image, and remember no matter what Jesus loves you JUST the way you are! _________________ Nowhere does the Bible state that the sexual orientation of homosexuality is sinful — it merely instructs anyone, gay or straight, that any sexual act that does not spring from a place of love, respect and commitment to the other person involved is sinful. |
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holly102869 Fierce Poodle

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 278 Location: Central, Florida USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: |
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That is not the only thing that Americans sterotype.
Not only do you have to be thin but pretty and never get old.
I am 38 years, old 4 foot 11 inches tall, and around 140 in weight and I am over 50% gray. The healthy weight of a person at 30 years and the same hight should weight around 132 pounds. ( At least that is what I was informed).So I am not doing so bad.
I am so tired of people saying cover your gray. Wear more make up. You are so pretty, but you should do this to bring out this or that.
There is an old saying you have to love yourself or you can't love anybody else. How are our children going to ever love themselves unless we stop this insane run of being thin, plastic surgery,etc.
I for one am trying to learn a hard lesson that the more people tell me this stuff the worse I feel. I have recently stopped coloring my hair and am falling in love with me. I have stopped saying I am not good enough. I am Beautiful no matter what anybody else thinks. I have to live with me. So I am going to be what I want to be and not what I am told I should be. _________________ Bless you,
Holly
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RevJP Moderator

Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The average American walking down the street sees a "fat" person and immediately classifies them as unhealthy, they have no will power, they don't love or care about themselves, they are lazy, etc.... These are repugnant stereotypes and are very hurtful. | This isn't a new trend, nor is is an 'American' trend. It is basic human nature. _________________ JP's Mind - my blog
Psa 118:8 It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man. |
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Key of Twilight Big Hamster

Joined: 17 Jun 2008 Posts: 97
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Quote: | | The average American walking down the street sees a "fat" person and immediately classifies them as unhealthy, they have no will power, they don't love or care about themselves, they are lazy, etc.... These are repugnant stereotypes and are very hurtful. | This isn't a new trend, nor is is an 'American' trend. It is basic human nature. |
I'm sorry but I just do not believe that... It sounds like a cop-out instead of accepting and standing up to the discrimination that is going on. Children are not born thinking badly of overweight people it is something they are taught. _________________ Nowhere does the Bible state that the sexual orientation of homosexuality is sinful — it merely instructs anyone, gay or straight, that any sexual act that does not spring from a place of love, respect and commitment to the other person involved is sinful. |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 6365 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Hey holly,
| holly wrote: | | I am 38 years, old 4 foot 11 inches tall, and around 140 in weight and I am over 50% gray. The healthy weight of a person at 30 years and the same hight should weight around 132 pounds. ( At least that is what I was informed).So I am not doing so bad. |
I got you beat..LOL
I'm 43, 5'1, and went back up to 180 being on the truck the last 3 months.. , and around 25% grey, and toothless..
watch this..lol
hugs
lone _________________ Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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RevJP Moderator

Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Key of Twilight wrote: | | I'm sorry but I just do not believe that... It sounds like a cop-out instead of accepting and standing up to the discrimination that is going on. Children are not born thinking badly of overweight people it is something they are taught. | Countless psychological studies disagree with you. _________________ JP's Mind - my blog
Psa 118:8 It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man. |
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Luvnlife Lion King

Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1270 Location: US
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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I have no idea what I weigh as I have not weighed myself at all for almost 10 years. My baby who will turn 10 in Oct. was 2 months old the last time I weighed.
I had issues with weight when I was younger (early twenties) and I became anorexic. I am 5' 5" tall and at that time I weighed 99 lbs. My Dr. told me if I lost one more pound he was going to admit me to the hospital for treatment. I think my problem was that I was somewhat depressed during that time period. Yes there were magazines etc... telling me, an already thin person at 114 lbs. that I should be even thinner but that was not why I became anorexic. It was, like I said, a mild depression. I did not have much of an appetite and, in addition, everything else was out of my control. I could, however, control my weight. I had total control over what I ate.
Now I am not thin. I don't really see myself as fat either though but some of my family members do. I wear a size 12 to 14 pants. I could stand to lose a few pounds and I am trying but when you hit that 40-something stage of your life, it becomes a little more difficult.
My Dr. said I don't need to weigh unless there is a health-related issue that supercedes my desire to stay off the scales. One nurse tried to make me weigh and I explained to her that I don't, I won't and my Dr. is behind me on this decision.
My stepfather likes to make jokes at my expense about my weight. It really hurts. I'm not even that big, really. Why are fat people or people who are only a little overweight like me so often the targets of ridicule and rude comments?
Even though I am a little overweight, I do excercise all the time, I eat lots of fruits, veggies and yogurt and I excercise portion control. I would like to lose a few sizes and get down to a pant size 9 or 10 but I actually am probably a lot healthier at my size than a lot of my thinner counterparts are.
I am lucky in the husband department. He has never made a snide or inconsiderate remark about my weight and always tells me I'm beautiful.
Luv _________________ Matthew 6:21
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
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Ana King of the Jungle

Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Posts: 1566 Location: BC
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Key of Twilight wrote: | | I'm sorry but I just do not believe that... It sounds like a cop-out instead of accepting and standing up to the discrimination that is going on. Children are not born thinking badly of overweight people it is something they are taught. | Countless psychological studies disagree with you. |
Can you substantiate that please?  _________________ Truth doesn't care about theology, and theology doesn't care about truth.
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Nobby Board - Admin

Joined: 16 Sep 2002 Posts: 5301 Location: Missouri
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: |
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Ah Ana you just had to go & get pickie!!
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Luvnlife Lion King

Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1270 Location: US
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Ana wrote: | | RevJP wrote: | | Key of Twilight wrote: | | I'm sorry but I just do not believe that... It sounds like a cop-out instead of accepting and standing up to the discrimination that is going on. Children are not born thinking badly of overweight people it is something they are taught. | Countless psychological studies disagree with you. |
Can you substantiate that please?  |
I found a few online:
Obesity Society
Obesity Discussion
Media perceptions
As I stated in my previous post, I am a little overweight but not a lot. I am 5'5" tall. I wear 12-14 size in pants.
Someone recently told me (and I quote): "You'll either need to buy bigger pants or stop eating so much."
I was deeply hurt. I have known the person who made this remark for almost 30 years. He has made remarks like this in the past and I let him know that they hurt me. This and several other hurtful remarks came from someone who says he loves me. My stepfather.
I confronted him. He said he talks to his daughters like that all the time. I told him I don't like it and to me it's not a joke. I asked him why, if he loves me, would he say such things to me. He said he was joking. I told him it's not a joke to me. It's not funny. It hurts me. He apologized but then repeated that it was a joke. He added that he knows that I don't eat that much and that I'm not that fat anyway.
People don't get it. Either they don't know or they are too insensitive to care about how it makes others feel. I have a sister who is an inch shorter than me and for years she was under 100 pounds. She is finally 120 lbs and looks much better. No one ever commented on how unhealthy it was for a 5'4" tall woman to be that thin but there have been a couple of people in my family that have made jokes about my weight or talked about my weight behind my back (I walked in on such a conversation a couple of years ago).
I have a co-worker who used to refer to someone we work with as a "fat" b**ch and I have heard many such comments over the years. I have heard people discussing in public places what others who are overweight eat or guessing what they must eat to be that overweight.
One of my stepsisters has a thyroid condition that makes it difficult for her to maintain a normal weight.
I was prescribed a medication that caused me to gain weight. I was not warned about that side affect and when I researched the medication and found that this was a side affect, I discontinued taking it.
My Grandmother was a little over 200 lbs and 5'1" tall. I loved that woman. I didn't love her less because of her weight I loved her because she was a wonderful loving Grandmother.
I do understand that there are health and hygiene issues that are related to being overweight and I understand that there are certain drugs and diseases that can cause weight gain. That's precisely why I don't understand societies bias against obese people. I think it should be the opposite, that we should be caring, compassionate and understanding.
Luv _________________ Matthew 6:21
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
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Ana King of the Jungle

Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Posts: 1566 Location: BC
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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So then, would you say that this kind of behaviour is learned, or not? _________________ Truth doesn't care about theology, and theology doesn't care about truth.
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Luvnlife Lion King

Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1270 Location: US
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Ana;
You know.....
I don't know. I suppose it is as it seems to be something that we have incorporated as part of our societal standards.
It wasn't taught in the household I grew up in just like racism and sexism were not taught. I did grow up in a harsh environment and yet my mother did manage to pass along some important fundamental values to us.
I think parents play an important role in teaching values and helping kids form a good solid foundation. Having said that, I also believe that, though parents are important, they do not hold the same revered position that they did in past generations. That is to say, children today are guided, fed and influenced by many more outside sources than they were in the past. There are negative influences and messages everywhere you look. Television, radio, magazines, newspapers, friends, acquaintances etc.... Our world is falling down around our ears and our children can see that. I think many people are meaner, more emotionally withdrawn and much less sensitive to others feelings than generations past. I think the Obesity bias is just one small thing amongst many that point to how callous people are becoming.
Luv _________________ Matthew 6:21
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: The Obesity Epidemic |
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Obesity, is an almost impossiblity when (and what) people eat as God intended for them to eat. _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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Luvnlife Lion King

Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1270 Location: US
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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OK Silver....
Let's just suppose for a moment that you are right.
I eat a lot of fresh fruits and veggies. I eat yogurt. I drink 1 glass of 2% milk a day. I excercise portion control including small servings of meat at dinner. I mostly avoid breads and sweets. I have lost a little over the last couple of months but not a lot. I go to the gym 2X a week and walk 3-5 miles 5 or 6 times a week.
It sounds like you believe we are all alike and should all gain and lose weight at the same pace using the same methods. Do you believe everyones metabolism is the same? Do you believe that the chemical make up of one person can make them gain weight faster than another? What about people with thyroid problems or other health-related issues? Or people who are taking medications that are known to cause weight gain? What about people over 40 years old or women who have had 2 or more children? What about women who have taken birth control pills for years? Did you know that birth control pills and other medications do cause weight gain in some women but not in others?
I just need some clarification as what works for one person may not work for another.
Luv  _________________ Matthew 6:21
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
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charity Little Hamster

Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 75
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | Hey holly,
| holly wrote: | | I am 38 years, old 4 foot 11 inches tall, and around 140 in weight and I am over 50% gray. The healthy weight of a person at 30 years and the same hight should weight around 132 pounds. ( At least that is what I was informed).So I am not doing so bad. |
I got you beat..LOL
I'm 43, 5'1, and went back up to 180 being on the truck the last 3 months.. , and around 25% grey, and toothless..
watch this..lol
hugs
lone |
Hehe
sweetas
Black and white cute! OH and cudley, vintage 65, cat, that hitchs on trucks, and dines at dinners?
hope you are well?
hugs to you
charity _________________ “I can't change the direction of the wind, but I can adjust my sails to always reach my destination.” |
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