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Niall Big Goldfish
Joined: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 74 Location: Columbia SC
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:59 am Post subject: Can different Religions lead to eternal Life? |
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| Quote: | | Nearly across the board, the majority of religious Americans believe many religions can lead to eternal life: mainline Protestants (83 percent), members of historic black Protestant churches (59 percent), Roman Catholics (79 percent), Jews (82 percent) and Muslims (56 percent). |
Interesting article on how the views of religion are changing in the US.
The Link _________________ The One is the Invisible Spirit. It is not right to think of it as a God or as like God. It is more than just God. |
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Zathrus King Kong

Joined: 28 Aug 2002 Posts: 2270 Location: WI USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:50 am Post subject: |
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Is it really that they believe that various religions can lead to eternal life, or that they believe no one religion has the whole truth, no one religion has exclusive claim to truth, and that inheriting eternal life is more a matter of the heart? That it has less to do with what doctrines one ascribes to and what church one is affiliated with than one's personal relationship with God? _________________ Establishing the law by receiving the righteousness which is by faith, without the deeds of the law!
2 Cor 3 "11For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."
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pastor2022 Moderator

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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | That it has less to do with what doctrines one ascribes to and what church one is affiliated with than one's personal relationship with God? |
Good point. Although doctrine or what you believe about God is important. _________________ Faith is the confident obedience to the Word of God in spite of circumstances or consequences. |
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Niall Big Goldfish
Joined: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 74 Location: Columbia SC
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| pastor2022 wrote: | | Quote: | | That it has less to do with what doctrines one ascribes to and what church one is affiliated with than one's personal relationship with God? |
Good point. Although doctrine or what you believe about God is important. |
So do you both agree that Muslims can experience eternal life, based on their beliefs and doctrines? _________________ The One is the Invisible Spirit. It is not right to think of it as a God or as like God. It is more than just God. |
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45degreeN King Kong
Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Posts: 2672 Location: Salem Oregon
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: |
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The road to heaven comes down to us by the grace of God. It doesn't go up from us and therefore there is not a multiplicity of roads.
There are clear mileposts and markers we can observe. Frankly not every one of men's religions even talks about there being a heaven anyway. _________________ My boss is a Jewish carpenter.
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Zathrus King Kong

Joined: 28 Aug 2002 Posts: 2270 Location: WI USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:53 am Post subject: |
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The only way to the Father is Jesus Christ.
I will obviously not find out for sure until I get to the other side, but it seems to me that a person can sincerely seek God and have a heart for God, come from a background where they either have never heard of Christianity or can't imagine it being the way to God, yet because of their open heart, come to know Christ in their own way.
They may not know Jesus by the same name that we do. But I know God is able to bypass the limitations of our intellect and its biases, speak to and reveal Himself to our hearts and save our spirits. _________________ Establishing the law by receiving the righteousness which is by faith, without the deeds of the law!
2 Cor 3 "11For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."
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Niall Big Goldfish
Joined: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 74 Location: Columbia SC
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| 45degreeN wrote: | The road to heaven comes down to us by the grace of God. It doesn't go up from us and therefore there is not a multiplicity of roads.
There are clear mileposts and markers we can observe. Frankly not every one of men's religions even talks about there being a heaven anyway. |
Maybe you're wrong. Maybe it just depends on the road you choose also determines what is required of you. Maybe the requirements aren't the same.
What difference does it make whether a religion believes in heaven?
What makes it different for one that is raised as a Christian, versus one raised as a Muslim? Both think they are right in their choices. _________________ The One is the Invisible Spirit. It is not right to think of it as a God or as like God. It is more than just God. |
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Niall Big Goldfish
Joined: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 74 Location: Columbia SC
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| Zathrus wrote: | The only way to the Father is Jesus Christ.
I will obviously not find out for sure until I get to the other side, but it seems to me that a person can sincerely seek God and have a heart for God, come from a background where they either have never heard of Christianity or can't imagine it being the way to God, yet because of their open heart, come to know Christ in their own way.
They may not know Jesus by the same name that we do. But I know God is able to bypass the limitations of our intellect and its biases, speak to and reveal Himself to our hearts and save our spirits. |
What if they don't come to know Christ? Take for example the American Indians, did they have access to scriptures? No. Did they know of Christian ways? No. _________________ The One is the Invisible Spirit. It is not right to think of it as a God or as like God. It is more than just God. |
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45degreeN King Kong
Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Posts: 2672 Location: Salem Oregon
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What difference does it make whether a religion believes in heaven? |
If the goal in life is "nothingness" (like the Hindu/Buddhist religions) rather than "heaven" what would they think of being in heaven?
There is a mutually exclusive result one or the other is right. _________________ My boss is a Jewish carpenter.
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Zathrus King Kong

Joined: 28 Aug 2002 Posts: 2270 Location: WI USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| Niall wrote: | | What if they don't come to know Christ? Take for example the American Indians, did they have access to scriptures? No. Did they know of Christian ways? No. | American Indians are an example of exactly what I'm talking about. Some of them worshipped the Great White Spirit. It may well be that God revealed Himself to those among them who sought Him. How do you know at least some didn't come to know Christ?
Not having access to scriptures or knowlege of Christianity is exactly what I'm talking about. _________________ Establishing the law by receiving the righteousness which is by faith, without the deeds of the law!
2 Cor 3 "11For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."
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Zathrus King Kong

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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| 45degreeN wrote: | | If the goal in life is "nothingness" (like the Hindu/Buddhist religions) ... | I've read that. It always seemed to me the Hindus and Buddhists made it more complicated that it is. The "nothingness" that they seek sounds like death. Why join a religion to get there? It happens to everyone anyway. _________________ Establishing the law by receiving the righteousness which is by faith, without the deeds of the law!
2 Cor 3 "11For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."
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Luke 7:35 House Cat

Joined: 26 May 2007 Posts: 169 Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, In the Judgement! Not the first resurrection though.
Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
(These are only Christians [anointed-ones] who have been beheaded [symbolically])
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
The 1st Resurrection: 1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
No wonder we read....
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
God Bless
Luke 7:35 _________________ Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? |
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:12 am Post subject: |
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I would say all religions lead to eternal life with equal effectiveness.
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45degreeN King Kong
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Beloved Admin are you suggesting that "nothingness" is eternal life? _________________ My boss is a Jewish carpenter.
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Zathrus King Kong

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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| admin wrote: | I would say all religions lead to eternal life with equal effectiveness.
 | Well said! _________________ Establishing the law by receiving the righteousness which is by faith, without the deeds of the law!
2 Cor 3 "11For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."
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