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Yehushuan
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 Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: A challenge to 45degreeN :and anyone else who wishes to join |
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| 45degreeN wrote: | | The OT prophets would start by saying thus says the Lord and the following words were from God Himself. Like Moses who wrote those ten commandments from God's telling him…..Only someone willingly ignorant would not understand what the word of God was. |
Ok, 45, we’ll see who is ignorant and who is not.
I can’t recall if I ever discussed this here within this forum (but if I did you have a distinct advantage) so….
QUICK, off the top of your head, without doing any Bible review or study at all, please answer the following question in as much detail as you can:
Where was Moses when God FIRST gave the Ten Darbar (commandments)?
Yehu
(Bonus question: How or in what form did God FIRST give these to Israel?)
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HeKkLeR
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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I remember this.
I did forget to thank you for setting me straight on that, by the way. Thanks.
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| HeKkLeR wrote: | | I did forget to thank you for setting me straight on that, by the way. Thanks. |
Well, thank you kindly Hek.
I'm not a complete moron, pieces are still missing.
Yehu
(And I know what God's Word is, and 1 Tim. ain't just because some Catholic Bishop says so.)
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Niall
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:12 am Post subject: Re: A challenge to 45degreeN :and anyone else who wishes to |
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| Yehushuan wrote: | | 45degreeN wrote: | | The OT prophets would start by saying thus says the Lord and the following words were from God Himself. Like Moses who wrote those ten commandments from God's telling him…..Only someone willingly ignorant would not understand what the word of God was. |
Ok, 45, we’ll see who is ignorant and who is not.
I can’t recall if I ever discussed this here within this forum (but if I did you have a distinct advantage) so….
QUICK, off the top of your head, without doing any Bible review or study at all, please answer the following question in as much detail as you can:
Where was Moses when God FIRST gave the Ten Darbar (commandments)?
Yehu
(Bonus question: How or in what form did God FIRST give these to Israel?) |
tabernacle....god face to face with moses as a man.
3 tablets of the higher laws and the lesser (10 commandments) laws written on front and back.
Israel received the 1st set of lesser laws along with the higher laws in broken pieces.
The 10 commandments alone were delivered to Israel on 2 tablets, written only on 1 side prepared on the mountain.
That's how I remember it...
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45degreeN
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: |
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I'm afraid that Niall has beaten me to it. I dont get on the computer in the evenings so there was a big gap between the time this challenge was given and the time I read it at 6AM
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pato
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Well if Niall's answer is correct I'd of been way off cause off the top pf my head I'd of said something like...
Where was Moses....?
Nowhere around bc if Satan is the father of lies and was a liar from the beginning.... and we know that not lying is mentioned as one the ten, and since sin is the trangression ....then by my estimation the 10 commandments were given since the beginning and Moses just wasn't there......
And ... bonus question...
Err... Since Abraham kept God's laws and statutes and commands and God was confident that he would instruct his offspring about them that would mean they probably knew them when they went into Egypt.... but since they got enslaved there and lost sight of them, God brought them out and led them to the wilderness... they started to complain about food at one point, God fed them with "manna".... showed them which day was the Sabbath and asked how long would they refuse to keep His commands etc etc sooo... for the bonus I'd say right about when all this took place.... feel free to shoot me.....
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45degreeN
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????? What are you so trying to say? use English please
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Zathrus
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: question |
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| pato wrote: | Where was Moses....?
Nowhere around bc if Satan is the father of lies and was a liar from the beginning.... and we know that not lying is mentioned as one the ten, and since sin is the trangression ....then by my estimation the 10 commandments were given since the beginning and Moses just wasn't there......
And ... bonus question...
Err... Since Abraham kept God's laws and statutes and commands and God was confident that he would instruct his offspring about them that would mean they probably knew them when they went into Egypt.... but since they got enslaved there and lost sight of them, God brought them out and led them to the wilderness... they started to complain about food at one point, God fed them with "manna".... showed them which day was the Sabbath and asked how long would they refuse to keep His commands etc etc sooo... for the bonus I'd say right about when all this took place.... feel free to shoot me..... |
I think our Adventist members have a new best friend. pato, you make their case far better than they ever have. Still not saying it holds up, but you make a far more persuasive case for it than the Adventists who post here.
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: Re: A challenge to 45degreeN :and anyone else who wishes to |
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My apologies for not taking the dumb-down factor into account. 
I had not asked when the 10 Darbar were created, but given (and the implication was to the nation of Israel). So allow me to rephrase….
Where was Moses’ physical location when God FIRST gave the 10 Darbar (commandments) at Sinai?
| 45degreeN wrote: | | I'm afraid that Niall has beaten me to it. I dont get on the computer in the evenings so there was a big gap between the time this challenge was given and the time I read it at 6AM |
In that I can’t make hide nor tail out of Niall’s reply,45, it would have been better were you to have posted anyway.
| Niall wrote: | | The 10 commandments alone were delivered to Israel on 2 tablets, written only on 1 side prepared on the mountain. |
So the answer is? Moses was up on the mountain?
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| Niall wrote: | | tabernacle....god face to face with moses as a man. |
A scripture verse to identify this event would be most appreciative. (Maybe I've missed something.)
Yehu
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: Re: question |
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Hi Pato,
I wasn’t quite concerned when the 10 were given to Satan (or angels or mosquitoes for that matter) even if they were, and by given I didn’t mean created.
| pato wrote: | | Since Abraham kept God's laws and statutes and commands and God was confident that he would instruct his offspring about them that would mean they probably knew them when they went into Egypt... |
Then why would Paul say that the Law was ADDED to the covenant if such were already part of the Covenant with Abraham to begin with?
The bonus question would address the physical process by which the 10 were given. I think the Charlton Heston movie had fireballs coming out of the clouds and zapping the stone tablets – something like that.
Yehu
PS: If possible could you cite a scripture verse supporting the assertion that “Abraham kept God’s laws and statutes and commands”?
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