Eden

Adam_Love · Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: Eden

(This is in response to Brother John from another thread. I thought I'd start a new one to stay on topic.

There was a similar discussion here
http://www.bible-discussion.com/message-board-forum/viewtopic.php?t=6939

I see the Serpent as being a good guy, and the eating of the fruit in Eden as being a positive thing.

lone-traveler · Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:36 am Post subject:

thinkin..

I see that they tried to come up some other way.
Jesus said believe in me and all these things shall be added unto thee.
I see the comparison of Eve in the Garden to Jesus in the wilderness.
And the deciever promises Jesus that if he will bow down and worship him, that he would give him all these things.
Jesus already had them..he had his Father..which is our reward.
All things have been given unto me..
because he waited for the promise from on high. Not because he listened to the voices of men, greed, pride..etc.
And because Adam and Eve did not wait, but tried to enter another way as theives..they were led to destruction and death.
Their unfaithfulness led them away from the truth and landed them in the middle of the wilderness.
The Spirit takes Jesus into the wilderness to be tried a second time.
Through being born under the law and learning in there about God's mercy and kindness, and that there was hope. He believed God and he overcame the deciever with the word of God.
He was God's Word come to bring back man from the wilderness and lead them home.

God made man and he also made the serpent. God made the serpent to try them and test them and to prove them whether they would listen to the Lord or not.
And the serpent was made as a vessel of wrath for God.
The serpent is God's rod of correction. He is the revenger of blood. He is the one who bites and devours sinners. and through him men are led into destruction so that they will seek God's mercy and forgiveness.

The more Adam and Eve leaned on their own understanding of this knew knowledge of good and evil, the more they travelled farther away from the truth. So the farther they wandered the more laws was needed to keep them in line with the hope that they would hear his voice.

The serpent tempts us..that's his purpose..because God is not tempted neither does he tempt with evil.
If we overcome the temptation then the devil leaves us..we obey righteousness unto life.
If we give in to the temptation then the devil owns us or is able to have his way with us..we obey sin unto death.
But God is faithful that with the temptation will also make a way of escape. This escape is in his word. If we live by every word which proceeds out of "his" mouth. Because we aught to listen to God rather than men..
then there will always be a word of truth to use against the temptations the devil flings at us.

If we have faith in God and his word, he will not lead us into temptation but will deliver us from evil.
But if we have doubt and we don't trust that his word is true, then the devil will tempt you and deliver into evil. And if we repent and ask for forgiveness..(the escape route)..then God will hear our plea.
Because our God is a merciful God.

Satan told Jesus..All these things will I give unto you, for they are in my power to give to whom I will.
Because the whole world was sold to sin. We had sold ourselves to the devil and to death..
Jesus came to redeem us. And through his faith in God and his word, the spirit of God within him, he purchased with his blood the whole world back from the serpents hand.

The year of redemption..
You think the devil was angry when after he had aquired all the dust of the earth to feast on, when Jesus came and redeemed those who were lost? and who was lost? the whole world.
And the devil was wroth because he knew he only had a short time..to persecute, to prosecute, to accuse, to work the works of him who sent him.
And so he roams the earth seeking those whom he can devour.
And we flee from him into the sanctuary of God's word.
If there was no devil, would we seek God?
But God knows the hearts and minds of men, and uses the devil to show them just how far we had wandered.
What was Eve hovering around the tree for in the first place..she was beginning to wander away from the truth.

Jam 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Psa 81:12 So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: [and] they walked in their own counsels.

just sharin my thoughts..
hugs
lone

p.s.
I believe the tree of knowledge of good and evil is the law.
By it we learn to do evil and we learn to do good.
The devil made the law, but God's truth is hidden within it..
that with the temptation to do evil, there is a way of escape also in it.

Job 24:14 The murderer rising with the light killeth the poor and needy, and in the night is as a thief.

The lie (temptation to hate thy enemy) rises with the truth (overcome the temptation with good,love thy enemy) and kills the poor and needy (deaf and blind), and in the night (no understanding) is as a thief..(it steals away the truth).
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45degreeN · Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:06 am Post subject:

The whole temptation of the serpent was this: can you trust God's word? It is the same question even today.

If Eve and then Adam had simply stated that they trust God and will not violate His word, then we really don't know what would have happened at that point, do we, since it is not included in the scripture. Only speculation can go there.

Skeptics try and stand outside of the protection of God's word and figure it out for themselves, they would fall for the temptation every time.
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Zathrus · Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:10 am Post subject: Re: Eden