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PrysdieHeer!
Big Pit Bull
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
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Location: South Africa; Gardens of Pretoria
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 Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: Different Nations, Different Talents |
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I noticed that every nation has its pros and cons!
Now my question is, is this different properties caused by, blood,
Nurture,
or Blessings from God?
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P1234567890
Emperor of the Universe
Joined: 11 Mar 2006
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Location: Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Different Nations, Different Talents |
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| PrysdieHeer! wrote: | I noticed that every nation has its pros and cons!
Now my question is, is this different properties caused by, blood,
Nurture,
or Blessings from God?
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History, economics, geopolitics, and the people currently living there have my vote. |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, P123 has said something I fully agree with...  |
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P1234567890
Emperor of the Universe
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Wow, P123 has said something I fully agree with... |
Cool, here's another: Jesus Christ teaches many excellent moral lessons in the Bible. |
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45degreeN
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PrysdieHeer!
Big Pit Bull
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
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Location: South Africa; Gardens of Pretoria
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | RevJP wrote: | | Wow, P123 has said something I fully agree with... |
Cool, here's another: Jesus Christ teaches many excellent moral lessons in the Bible. |
Good!
Start listening to those!
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Negative Overload
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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You say that as if you do not believe P123 doesn't already adhere to them.
I believe he has said before that there are many good moral lessons to be learn from the teachings of Jesus; and if he finds that they're good, then it stands to reason that he lives by them.
Hopefully you're just giving him a friendly reminder, and not judging or degrading him in any way...
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"I'm not the only one
That walks between the rain, there are many.
I'm not the only one
When everything is lost that doesn't surrender."
-Mudvayne, "(Per)version of a Truth" |
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PrysdieHeer!
Big Pit Bull
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Location: South Africa; Gardens of Pretoria
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Negative Overload wrote: | You say that as if you do not believe P123 doesn't already adhere to them.
I believe he has said before that there are many good moral lessons to be learn from the teachings of Jesus; and if he finds that they're good, then it stands to reason that he lives by them.
Hopefully you're just giving him a friendly reminder, and not judging or degrading him in any way...
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You`re right, but I`m not judging him, I`m trying to tell him to listen to the Bible!
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| PrysdieHeer! wrote: |
You`re right, but I`m not judging him, I`m trying to tell him to listen to the Bible! |
I would encourage you to do the same. One of the major principles in the Bible is that of TRUTH.
This means that if you want to live your life by the Bible, then you need to accept things that are true even if you don't like them. An excellent example is the age of the Universe. The truth is that it is billions of years old. If you honor the Bible, then you should accept that instead of constantly making intellectually vapid arguments that it's only a few thousand years old.
You should use science to help you get a better understanding of the Bible. |
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PrysdieHeer!
Big Pit Bull
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Location: South Africa; Gardens of Pretoria
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | PrysdieHeer! wrote: |
You`re right, but I`m not judging him, I`m trying to tell him to listen to the Bible! |
I would encourage you to do the same. One of the major principles in the Bible is that of TRUTH.
This means that if you want to live your life by the Bible, then you need to accept things that are true even if you don't like them. An excellent example is the age of the Universe. The truth is that it is billions of years old. If you honor the Bible, then you should accept that instead of constantly making intellectually vapid arguments that it's only a few thousand years old.
You should use science to help you get a better understanding of the Bible. |
I know the Bible, better than You, I believe, and it teaches the world is about 6000 years old.
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RevJP
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| Quote: | | I know the Bible, better than You, I believe, |
That's possible. But knowing it and understanding it can be quite different.
| Quote: | | and it teaches the world is about 6000 years old. |
Only if you work from the fall of Adam forward. We have no way of knowing how much time had passed from creation until Adam and Eve were ejected from the garden. |
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PrysdieHeer!
Big Pit Bull
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| Quote: | | and it teaches the world is about 6000 years old. |
Only if you work from the fall of Adam forward. We have no way of knowing how much time had passed from creation until Adam and Eve were ejected from the garden. |
Not from the fall, but from the point when Adam was created.
And we do know how much time passed from the creation to Adams creation.... 5 1/2 Days
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RevJP
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Two things:
One day is like a thousand years to God, according scripture. I'll grant that is figurative, meaning that our time has no meaning for Him. Day 1 - 4 could have easily been 4 quadrillion years, the creation account before the establishment of the earth is not bound by our understanding of time.
Second: We have absolutely NO idea how long Adam was in the garden before Eve was made, or how long the both were there together before the fall. They could have been there for billions upon billions of years. There is no reference telling us that they were there for 1 day or 1 year, or anything before the fall. The generations, and ages, were not counted until after they were evicted from the garden. |
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P1234567890
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Location: Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| PrysdieHeer! wrote: |
I know the Bible, better than You, I believe, and it teaches the world is about 6000 years old. |
I'm not sure this is true. I don't claim to know the Bible well, but you believe that it promotes slavery and justifies the oppression of women. You use the Bible to suppress truth. As far as I can tell, I know the Bible better than you.
But even if this isn't true, certainly I am a better Christian than you are. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | Two things:
One day is like a thousand years to God, according scripture. I'll grant that is figurative, meaning that our time has no meaning for Him. Day 1 - 4 could have easily been 4 quadrillion years, the creation account before the establishment of the earth is not bound by our understanding of time.
Second: We have absolutely NO idea how long Adam was in the garden before Eve was made, or how long the both were there together before the fall. They could have been there for billions upon billions of years. There is no reference telling us that they were there for 1 day or 1 year, or anything before the fall. The generations, and ages, were not counted until after they were evicted from the garden. |
Wow, thank you RevJP for a much-needed injection of scriptural sanity! |
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