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45degreeN
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 Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: McCain and John Hagee |
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It seems that McCain has accepted the endorsement of John Hagee and I saw the video of McCain embracing the preaching of this preacher.
This is just one more nail in the coffin of McCain's campaign. Something that will *Baloney Pop* to bite him on the tail end during the general campaign.
Is there anyone here that thinks this is a positive event for McCain?
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Who's John Hagee?
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Ana
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Some televangelist. Kind of a fanatical one, from what I can tell, - I googled him about 40 seconds ago.
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Pondering
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I tried to link to the wikipedia entry...but it killed my browser (unrelated, but having alot of that...I assume that the Vista friendly code doesn't like XP....but I digress)....
Anywho...yes...he seems to be a televangelist...pretty successful one by the looks of it. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the "God via TV" movement, but....I presume this is McCain's "outreach" to the "Christian Right"?
Can you explain why you think this (huggin' Hagee) is bad, 45?
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| Pondering wrote: | | Personally, I'm not a big fan of the "God via TV" movement, |
Hey, some people really love God, but just can't be bothered to put in the effort to walk down the street to the local church. Don't bash it.
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45degreeN
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Well, Pondering, it suggests you don't know much about this Hagee character. I would wonder if Hagee represents much of a constituency in the mainstream Christian right.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Just a bit from wiki
| Quote: | Hagee has said Iran is a threat to Western civilization and that they will never respond favorably to diplomacy[citation needed]. He supports an American-Israeli pre-emptive military strike against Iran to eliminate its alleged nuclear programme.[6] He supports the Neo-Conservative movement in the United States.
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| ragman13 wrote: | Just a bit from wiki
| Quote: | Hagee has said Iran is a threat to Western civilization and that they will never respond favorably to diplomacy[citation needed]. He supports an American-Israeli pre-emptive military strike against Iran to eliminate its alleged nuclear programme.[6] He supports the Neo-Conservative movement in the United States.
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Spoken like a true Christian who tries to follow in the footsteps of Jesus Christ. Turn the other cheek, after all!
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45degreeN
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Obvious to me that it his support of the neo-con movement that is the primary consideration not the religious mumbo-jumbo. McCain though is only a peripheral groupie for the neo-cons and not part of the inner core.
It still seems to me that McCain will not be as supported from those neo-cons as one of their own.
Bush managed to con the religious right about his points of view and suckered them into supporting his candidacy whereas McCain will not be able to pull that same lever. Given the Huckabee factor, we know that McCain just doesn't stand on the same platform when it comes to religious issues.
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| 45degreeN wrote: | | we know that McCain just doesn't stand on the same platform when it comes to religious issues. |
Thank goodness...now, if we can just get him to repeal McCain-Feingold and he follows through on his "new view" on shamnesty....
FWIW, I'd rather suffer under a liberal leaning conservative (McCain) than a conservative leaning liberal (Clinton)...and I flat out reject the lefty-left-left liberal (Obama)...
That said, I also don't want to live in a Christian Right (caliphate)....theocracy is bad...m'kay....regardless of which "God" is placed at its head......of course, I also defend the Christian's freedom of religion...but I'm complicated like that 
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I was reading the article about Hag's endorsement of McCain and the uproar it is causing on the left side of the aisle and it struck me as strange that those who preach inclusiveness and such would rant about a candidate accepting an endorsement from a person who holds different points of view.
Do we not want our leaders to be inclusive, to listen to all sides of an issue, to bring all comers to the table to sort out the issues and create solutions? I thought that is what America was all about and I could swear I've read report after report about the left complaining that they didn't feel the current administration, or the right side of the aisle for that matter, was inclusive but rather divisive.
So what is it to be? Do we encourage inclusiveness or do we demand divisiveness? What I see now is the left preaching one thing and doing another.
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| revjp wrote: | | What I see now is the left preaching one thing and doing another. |
how dare you?..please..like that would ever happen...
what is even funnier, is the headline i read today...check this out...
it was titled:
'bush sparks new debate as he backs mccain'
have you ever read such nonsense?...why on earth would it spark debate for a sitting republican president who cannot run again to back the repubican candidate the party has chosen?....
did they really think he would sponsor hillary or obama?...
maybe nadar, or ron paul?...sheesh... |
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Ana
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Well, maybe some had been hoping he would say he hearts Huckabee.
Oh, come on, somebody had to say it sometime! 
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RevJP
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I agree. I would think that Bush would rather Huckabee than McCain, but that isn't going to happen so he backs the clear candidate to keep some unity in the Republican party.
I also think he, and his advisor's have a plan to use the power of their endorsement to influence McCain to do something somewhat palatable to the average Republican: Pick a running mate who isn't such a nasty curmudgeon. It would be a hoot to see Huckabee accept the position....
The sad thing is that if McCain doesn't get some balance to his candidacy then the GOP doesn't stand a ghost of a chance in the general election. I know I wouldn't vote for him at this point...
If faced with the choice of Hillary or McCain, I would take McCain. If faced with the choice of Obama or McCain... I'm afraid I would go with Obama...
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