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wilber
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1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Can anyone explain this verse?
wilber
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theseldomscene
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yes the context does so quite nicely...
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pastor2022
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1 Corinthians 15:12-19 (KJV)12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
IMMEDIATE CONTEXT
I Corinthians 15:20-22 (KJV)20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
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wilber
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So christ undoes what Adam did - for all?
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atoz
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be m |
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| wilber wrote: | 1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Can anyone explain this verse?
wilber |
Yes, sir!smile
For as in Hate all die,
even so in Love are all and shall all be made alive!
God used the words
'adam' and 'christ'
in spirit or in metaphor for 'Hate' and 'Love' respectively.
Proof:
John 6:63.
Luke 9:60 and
John 11:25-26.
with Love and R,
atoz
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wilber
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I have looked at the context. Now can anybody tell me why this text does not mean what it says?
wilber
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trettep
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| wilber wrote: | So christ undoes what Adam did - for all?
wilber |
Yes, just like it says. As is Adam all die - that Same ALL will be made alive in Christ.
Paul |
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beloved57
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be m |
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| wilber wrote: | 1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Can anyone explain this verse?
wilber |
Yes all that adam represented when he sinned died and all christ represented will be made alive. The 2 different adams represented the same group the elect.. |
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be m |
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| beloved57 wrote: | | The 2 different adams represented the same group the elect.. |
And BINGO!, B-57 sets himself up for the plagues by ADDING in the word “elect” where it is not written.
Rev 22:18 KJV For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: (Glad to see you’re also cursing yourself along with others, “Beloved” )
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beloved57
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| Quote: | And BINGO!, B-57 sets himself up for the plagues by ADDING in the word “elect” where it is not written.
Rev 22:18 KJV For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
(Glad to see you’re also cursing yourself along with others, “Beloved” )
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Yeah right, please explain how I am wrong.. |
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bitterlily
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Hi beloved57,
| beloved57 wrote: | | The 2 different adams represented the same group the elect.. |
For this to be true then only the elect (through the first Adam) could die. 
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Yehushuan
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| beloved57 wrote: | | Yeah right, please explain how I am wrong.. |
I strongly doubt that you are one to espouse Universal salvation, in that the supposed elect in Adam where in all die would make each and every person ever born to be of the elect.
Do you really think you can find truth by adding in words where they are not written?
That’s how you are wrong – adding in words. (Not even I am that arrogant to so blaspheme.)
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christina
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be m |
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| wilber wrote: | 1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Can anyone explain this verse?
wilber |
the bible says that adam was with God in the garden of eden
When he sinned against God He was kicked out of the garden of eden. On that day he died.
His exit from the garden of eden was his birth into the world we live in now.
Cause we all come from Adam and eve, right.
Now the same is what happens with Jesus but the opposite way. Jesus dies in this world we live in and when he exits our world he is born back into the garden of eden or heaven, where God is. those that are his descendents will again live with God.
We will no longer be considered dead, we will have life.
Through adam we died
through Jesus we will live.
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atoz
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be m |
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| christina wrote: |
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Now the same is what happens with Jesus
but the opposite way.
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Through adam we died
through Jesus we will live. |
Christina!
Xlnt!
With Love and respect,
atoz
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was a far greater scientist than any of our modern scientists."
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beloved57
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| Quote: | | For this to be true then only the elect (through the first Adam) could die. |
Right , the elect died to the covenant relationship we had with God...hence incurring death..
But satan and his seed never were in a covenantal relationship with God to die from.. |
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