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eleven
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 Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: Now for somethng completely different....hows about honesty? |
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Recently, two posters on this board have been banned.
Wilber and atoz. Neither one of these people can access this website anymore. Neither has been given an explanation as to why. From all of my observations, neither has broken any rules of the website. It seems the only thing they are guilty of is disagreeing with some other posters on this website, particularly concerning the topic of Universal Salvation.
There is nothing more cowardly, or cruel than to throw somebody (I don't care who) out without the courtesy of an explanation. And if you (administration, moderators, whoever ) are so sure you are correct in performing such actions, then why do in behind everyone's back, YOU COWARDS!!!
We get on this website day after day, talking about scripture and the love of God, and what would Jesus do. You wouldn't know God if He posted here Himself.
You are heartless, cruel, and without mercy, yet you claim to call this a "Christian" website? You hypocrites!
I have PM'd those who run this board asking about these decisions, and guess what? No answer.
Why should I be surprised?
To all you atheists out there, please don't point to this as an example of why God does not exist. He does.
But so unfortunately, does evil, and he is were those who claim to know God are. Don't be fooled.
I plan to post on this website everyday for the next month. In the event you don't see my name here ANY day for the next thirty days, be assured that I was banned also just for speaking my mind. Something else that is not allowed here.
To those of you who are true followers of Jesus, Yehu, bobf, JB, lone, 45derees, bitterlily, and many more who I just can't think of right now, I have been blessed to know you. To those of you who revel in the joy of legalism and "wisdom", I'm glad I forgot you.
Peace to you all,
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MoJo
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Eleven, I would please ask you to calm down. I happen to be in agreement with you that people should be given some sort of an explanation, although IMO, those who received several warnings about their behavior and didn't heed them should be able to discern why they have been prevented from accessing the board.
Some info has just come to light and we were advised not to say anything at the moment, but even though I may catch it for this, I think the time is past for remaining completely silent.
In regards to atoz, the mods were actually not even aware until today that he could not access, so even we have no explanation for it as of this point in time.
| eleven wrote: | | From all of my observations, neither has broken any rules of the website. |
As to atoz, I don't know, but as to wilber, this is untrue.
Wilber was warned several times about bringing up and questioning the mods actions concerning apoc and yet continued to do so. And even though there may not be a specific rule about trying to incite people against the administration, this he is also guilty of and continues to be guilty of as evidenced by the way he tries to convince members of his innocence and our guilt behind the scenes.
Really, eleven, why should the administration have any sympathy for a person who encourages the membership to riot against it? Think about it. I don't know what he hopes to achieve by this. Is he thinking we will be manipulated into doing his will?
In point of fact, wilber has given false witness against the administration by continuing to accuse them of acting due to a difference in doctrine when a blind man could see that people don't get banned on this site over disagreements of doctrine. Are you a blind man, eleven? Practically everyone on this board disagrees about some doctrine.
You should know that tss is also banned. Contrary to what you may think, we were trying to avoid having to ban either wilber or tss. However, neither of them could stop poking at each other. In the case of tss, he poked at people over the US doctine and even though we tolerated this - probably too long - we were not in agreement with the language he used. However, he was never guilty of trying to get the administration to gang up on anyone, which wilber was. Wilber used the excuse of saying we favored tss because he was against the US doctrine. He campaigned to promote this lie to other members. He also went for the jugular regarding tss in continuing to bring up apoc in his posts, knowing full well this was guaranteed to set tss off on a tangent.
And even after he was denied access, his supporters kept bringing it up when we were hoping for some calm. Tss was trying to change his ways and caused no further problem till wilber's friend Jamtomorrow started in again as you are doing now. However, tss has also paid the price for not controlling his tongue, but more seriously, ignoring the warnings. To let either wilber or tss remain would make a mockery of the mods having any semblance of control and taking our warnings seriously.
So I'm afraid I have no sympathy for wilber's protestations of innocence. Perhaps when he stops blaming everyone else for his own actions and sees his own guilt, hearts might be softened. However, not while he keeps stirring the pot. Really, what are any of us gaining by this?
As to why some of the PM's didn't get answered, some of them were just downright accusatory, like your own, which is no way to win friends. **Technically** the administration is not obligated to explain anything it does as this board is not a democracy. We are all here by the grace of BA, who pays for it and maintains it.
However, I do think some things should be shared as a matter of courtesy. In the past, I believe that the admin and mods have been very lenient about letting people express themselves, however instead of being thankful for this allowance, some people have severely tested this tolerance. But as with everything, there comes a time
when the line has been crossed.
Quite frankly, we are pretty much fed up with the attacks we have received from being accused of favortism, bias over doctrine and unchristian behavior, when our sole purpose is to maintain the peace while allowing members freedom of opinion. All of us are volunteers. We receive nothing in return. Neither do we have to tolerate these attacks on our person, but do for your sakes.
And even now, for the sake of the members I am giving some explanation, but you should know, that the type of behavior we have allowed in the past will no longer be tolerated. If a person is given warning then I advise people to take it seriously. I'm not talking about minor infractions, like long posts or mild disputes, but anything which grossly insults other members or the continual questioning of the administration's decisions in a demeaning manner. It's not for the membership to know all the ins and outs of why we acted. You'll just have to accept that we think we have done the right thing.
Our decisions stand for the moment. You are in control of your own destiny to stay or to go, but we will not be manipulated into re-instating someone by anyone's threats and name-calling and how anyone could imagine we would be is beyond me.
We would like people to enjoy the board and the free exchange of ideas within reason and that is our aim, so I would encourage all to move forward in the best interests of all members.
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for the clarification, MoJo. I have a couple of quick questions and I'm honestly not trying to add fuel to the fire.
1) When you boot someone, do you normally E-Mail them to let them know what the cause of their removal was?
2) If a person was booted, are they given an opportunity to repent and be re-instated?
3) Will TSS be allowed to be re-instated and if so, what steps must he take?
4) Has Atoz's issue been resolved and is he able to post again?
Please understand that I don't blame you for drawing a line and not taking abuse from posters. I am just curious about how these matters are handled/resolved.
Thank you for your time and kind consideration to these questions.
Luv
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MoJo
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Hi luv. I will try to answer your questions
| Quote: | | 1) When you boot someone, do you normally E-Mail them to let them know what the cause of their removal was? |
As only Nobby and BA can actually boot or troll someone, I can't really answer whether they notify everyone. However, as I said to eleven, if a person has had several warnings about a particular behavior and ignores these warnings by continuing that behavior, if one day they find they cannot access the board, it should already be apparent to them why this is so without requiring further explanation. Complaining about not knowing the cause just emphasizes that they paid zero attention to the board warnings, private warnings, or both.
In point of fact, the warnings are like putting someone on notice. In the past, we have let this slide as the flare ups died out, but unfortunately some people took that lenience to mean we were OK with that kind of behavior. We have now decided to take a firmer stand on this in order to prevent this situation from happening again. So, in future, warnings should be taken seriously, but particularly if they are about the habitual behavior of someone or about something we feel strongly about. We're not going to get all agitated about the small stuff. For instance, the occassional long post is small stuff, but if a person was making long posts all the time, it would warrant a warning. It depends how irritating some things become to other members and if there are sufficient complaints. Everybody's tolerance level is different about different things, so we have to exercise our judgment in finding a balance.
| Quote: | | 2) If a person was booted, are they given an opportunity to repent and be re-instated? |
Once again only Nobby and BA can re-instate a person, although the mods might put in a good word. However, it would have to be sincere repentance. IOW, we wouldn't want to see any of the previous behavior.
3) Will TSS be allowed to be re-instated and if so, what steps must he take?
see above
4) Has Atoz's issue been resolved and is he able to post again?
There hasn't been any discussion about this as yet, so I don't know.
thanks for asking nicely.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Well said Mojo. You've shown great wisdom in patience in your answer to a rather rude and unchristian like post.
My answer would have been much shorter, pointing out the fact, as you had done, that this board is not someone's right, it is a privilege and abuses of that privilege will no longer be tolerated.
luv, allow me to answer your questions as best I can:
| Quote: | | 1) When you boot someone, do you normally E-Mail them to let them know what the cause of their removal was? |
Very few members are booted without a clear and unmistakable understanding of why they were banned. In the case of wilber particularly, he was informed ad nauseum that he would be banned if he did not mend his ways, he chose instead to become more belligerent and insulting to the admin and moderating staff. Anything he may say to anyone contrary to the fact that he was booted for the reasons Mojo stated and that he was fully aware that he would be long before he actually was, would simply be a bold-faced lie.
Other members who have been banned have also gone through a series of numerous warnings, both on the public forums and through PM's. No real member is ever surprised when they find their account closed. If they say otherwise then it is as I stated before - a bold-faced lie.
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2) If a person was booted, are they given an opportunity to repent and be re-instated? |
Absolutely. In fact we have had more than a few members in the past who were booted and came back later after agreeing to behave according to the rules of the board.
It is my view though, that more often than not, those members return to their old ways and we go through the hassle all over again, but we do it anyway to give everyone the same opportunity to be constructive members rather than destructive members.
| Quote: | | 3) Will TSS be allowed to be re-instated and if so, what steps must he take? |
I cannot answer that at this point. Considering some of the things going on behind the scenes it appears to be doubtful at this point.
| Quote: | | 4) Has Atoz's issue been resolved and is he able to post again? |
This is simply too soon to tell, and the decision in this case sets mostly with the owner of the board.
I wanted to address one or two minor issues in eleven's post:
| Quote: | | yet you claim to call this a "Christian" website? You hypocrites! |
Nowhere on this site has anyone claimed it to be a 'christian' website. This site is designed for all comers of all faiths, or none, to discuss things of the bible. It holds to no particular faith or denomination and in fact we encourage the participation of all beliefs and lack thereof.
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I have PM'd those who run this board asking about these decisions, and guess what? No answer. |
If anyone received a PM as vile and unchristianlike as you had sent, i doubt they would answer either. If you want to be civil and address people as you would like them to address you, then maybe you might receive a response. If you choose to curse us, accuse us, berate us, and demean us, then you can expect your messages to simply get deleted.
All in all, I found your entire post to be morally repugnant, and devoid of anything resembling a 'Christian' attitude. You call us hypocrites? Look in a freeking mirror.
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eleven
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Thank you- finally- to Mojo and RevJP, for answering. You have NO idea how much it is appreciated.
Please accept my apology if you think I was coming on too strong, but it is important that you understand something. To some people, a forum is the only church and family they have. So when people are banned without explanation, or when their emails go ignored, when access is denied, you may be causing some serious damage. How do I know? Because many years ago, I also ran a forum. What was the worse case scenario? A man that was banned became so depressed, he committed suicide. Was that the forum's fault, well no, not technically......
All I'm saying is, it is cold and heartless to do that to someone without giving them a chance to explain or change, or whatever. Meanwhile, all the "acceptable" people are on here continuing to discuss what Jesus really meant. Say, what???
Do you see what I'm saying?
I'm not questioning your judgement. I KNOW being a moderator is a tough job, and time consuming. It's these secretive methods that make the moderators look suspicious. HEY, believe it or not, I'm on your side!!! So I have a suggestion for you.
Open a separate thread like a one- on- one, strictly for disputes. That way an offender and a moderator can hash it out publicly, or if you don't want to do that, at least have a "Violation" thread where if someone does something wrong, it can be posted. If the violations continue, then they can be warned publicly that they are about to lose their forum privileges.
That way everyone maintains their integrity and credibility. Huh? What'dya say??? 
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MoJo
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Hi eleven. I accept your apology.
| Quote: | | To some people, a forum is the only church and family they have |
I agree, since this forum is where I fellowship. I can't speak for anyone else, but it takes a lot for someone to drive me to the point where I think they should be banned. The mods, being Christian, are sometimes put in a very difficult spot deciding between the smooth operation of the board as a whole and the gospel message of tolerance and forgiveness.
However, if members just refuse to make peace between themselves, it leaves little option. If people are sincere concerning the gospel, they need to start examining their own selves first before pointing fingers. It takes two to tango. A fair judge will examine both sides of the coin without regard to persons, so any calls to the mods to take a particular side might not turn out to their expectation. So members should first consider whether they have said anything to provoke a situation.
Having said that, let's not be too quick to take offence. Some people have a better command of the language than others and sometimes it's just thoughtlessness and not intentional provocation.
| Quote: | | All I'm saying is, it is cold and heartless to do that to someone without giving them a chance to explain or change, or whatever. |
I would agree with you if I thought people hadn't been given a chance, however that's what the warnings are for. This seems to be the problem; people not taking them seriously and ignoring them. Both wilber and tss were given plenty of opportunity and other members also saw the evidence of our warnings on the board. If people take these lightly, they have no one to blame but themselves. My conscience is completely clear.
And I will take this opportunity to preach the gospel; we are called to judge rightly in truth, so that Christian members should examine the evidence without respect of persons. That means we are not called to side with a person in the wrong just because we like them better than someone else. Although it rarely happens that one side is completely innocent and the other guilty, Christians should always be striving to keep themselves without spot even in the face of provocation. As Jesus would say, this is a hard saying, but followers of Christ will make the attempt to change their own behavior before accusing others. This is how we recognize our brothers; a sincere moving forward away from our own faults toward fruitful behavior and it starts with ourselves.
But how can we make changes if we remain blind to our own failings? To this day, both wilber and tss are screaming their innocence. How are we to judge between people who will not police their own spirits? I will tell you straight out that the loss of tss on the board is a severe grief to me personally as I consider him both my friend and my brother, but I would be the worst sort of hypocrite if I though he should remain on the board under the circumstances. Neither wilber not tss will make changes till they first acknowledge their guilt and start recognizing that their words affect this community as a whole and cause collateral damage.
| Quote: | Open a separate thread like a one- on- one, strictly for disputes. That way an offender and a moderator can hash it out publicly, or if you don't want to do that, at least have a "Violation" thread where if someone does something wrong, it can be posted. If the violations continue, then they can be warned publicly that they are about to lose their forum privileges.
That way everyone maintains their integrity and credibility. Huh? What'dya say??? |
Hmmm. I would have to think about that. What's the motive for making everything public; curiosity or perception? I understand the credibility issue has been a problem, but much of this stems from members themselves judging by respect of persons. They like one person over the other for various reasons and are blind to the violations of their favorites.
I would be wary that it would be used as a free-for-all. I also don't see the neccessity for baring all. Once words are spoken in anger, they are hard to take back.
Something to think about.
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Ana
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| MoJo wrote: |
Hmmm. I would have to think about that. What's the motive for making everything public; curiosity or perception? I understand the credibility issue has been a problem, but much of this stems from members themselves judging by respect of persons. They like one person over the other for various reasons and are blind to the violations of their favorites.
I would be wary that it would be used as a free-for-all. I also don't see the neccessity for baring all. Once words are spoken in anger, they are hard to take back.
Something to think about.
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I would advocate a section where mods can still deliberate behind the scenes, but when disciplinary action is taken, an announcement gets posted about why. That way, it sends a message to everyone about what exactly will not be tolerated. Here's an example.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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I want someone to explain to me (pardon me if my directness seems rude - I often get blamed for being 'mean' when I simply choose not to beat around the bush... Kinda feel like Simon on 'American Idol', although I doubt I'm as acerbic as he is...). Anyway: please someone explain to me why it is anyone's concern as to the reasons why the administration takes some actions.
Is it a necessity for the individuals beneficial participation on these boards, or is it simply to satisfy one's curiosity?
I want to qualify my thoughts here before anyone presumes to answer:
My participation on this board is not adversely affected by another member no longer being here. Nothing tss, atoz, or anyone else has to offer here is going to significantly affect my quality of life, my desire to participate, or the wealth of input of other participants who thus far remain silent in the midst of the strife that has been created.
Certainly I may be curious as to why a member is no longer around, but curiosity isn't a satisfactory reason for the administration to make public things that do not directly affect the lives of others.
eleven, you said:
| Quote: | | Because many years ago, I also ran a forum. |
why then, with your 'intimate' knowledge of what is involved in moderating a forum like this would you attack the moderators and administrators so vehemently? I simply cannot make sense of it.
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| RevJP wrote: | | Anyway: please someone explain to me why it is anyone's concern as to the reasons why the administration takes some actions. |
Is it necessary for "the people" to know why things happen of the sort? No. Do closed-door proceedings inspire confidence? Also no.
Note: I'm not arguing.
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JB
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RevJP,
I have no problem with your authority. I think that it is great that there are controls in place in this forum. The scriptures are clear that we need to be in subjection to those that are over us. Beside, I enjoy this forum.
God bless you and keep up the good work |
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eleven
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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eleven, you said:
| Quote: | | Because many years ago, I also ran a forum. |
why then, with your 'intimate' knowledge of what is involved in moderating a forum like this would you attack the moderators and administrators so vehemently? I simply cannot make sense of it. |
Then please go back and read my apology again.
I am vehement about it because I am only trying to save someone from total disaster again.
Maybe to you this is a hobby, and there is nothing wrong with that. But some people put their heart and soul into forums, especially when they make new friends because their cyber family MAY BE ALL THEY HAVE.
Do you have any idea how lonely life is for some people? I can't stress this enough. I realize that it is not the responsibility of a forum to watch out for people, but what's the harm in just being courteous? It doesn't cost you anything, and could save somebody's life - literally! Isn't that worth it??
Heck, just avoiding endless PM's would be worth it enough. 
Look, Jesus gave people second and third chances easily. Can't we at least do the same? I mean, considering what the subject matter is on this website, isn't it the least we can do?
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eleven
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Mojo wrote: |
Hmmm. I would have to think about that. What's the motive for making everything public; curiosity or perception? I understand the credibility issue has been a problem, but much of this stems from members themselves judging by respect of persons. They like one person over the other for various reasons and are blind to the violations of their favorites.
I would be wary that it would be used as a free-for-all. I also don't see the neccessity for baring all. Once words are spoken in anger, they are hard to take back.
Something to think about. |
I agree with everything you said. I'm not suggesting a free for all. What I am suggesting is a thread labeled "Violations". If someone does something,
you post who it is and what the infraction is.
For example:
"eleven, you are in violation for using abusive language towards John Smith. First warning."
That's it. Nothing else. No need to make a public display or show. No sensationalism.
At the third warning, that person is now banned from the forum. Who could argue with that? The key is to give people a chance BEFORE they are banned.
"eleven, this is your third warning for violating forum rules. You have lost your posting priviledges."
End of story.
But at least this way, the person has been given a chance to repent- (always a good thing ), and it makes you moderators much more credible than just having people disappear, or having threads deleted and so forth.
One thing you have to remember too, people can't always make themselves clear on a forum. Because of the lack of voice and emotion, many times something that may have been totally innocent to the poster, was mistaken as something offensive to someone else, isn't that true?
All I'm saying is, it is much more beneficial to all to offer the benefit of the doubt, then to risk causing some serious damage due to nothing more than misunderstanding. I hope you seriously consider this, because I had to learn in a very tragic way.
Thanks for listening.
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| eleven wrote: | | Maybe to you this is a hobby, and there is nothing wrong with that. But some people put their heart and soul into forums, especially when they make new friends because their cyber family MAY BE ALL THEY HAVE. |
A hobby?
Do you have any idea how much time the moderators and admin devotes to the operation of this board? We do it because this IS a cyber family to us, not just a place to while away extra hours because we have nothing else to do. Prior to the addition of other moderators I personally spent hours upon hours every week (and day) reading through every post, PMing members who had begun to cross the lines in obedience to the rules, and even trying to participate in threads. what I got for my time, other than the appreciation of Nobby and the Beloved Admin, was a few chances to have meaningful and intelligent discussions, and alot of insults and attacks from those who chose not to conform to the rules of the board.
I do this because I care about the boards and the people who are members here.
| Quote: | | Do you have any idea how lonely life is for some people? I can't stress this enough. I realize that it is not the responsibility of a forum to watch out for people, but what's the harm in just being courteous? It doesn't cost you anything, and could save somebody's life - literally! Isn't that worth it?? |
with all due respect eleven, we (the moderating/admin staff) have been, and continue to be, extremely courteous. Unfortunately we do not always get the same courtesy in return.
| FFT wrote: | | Is it necessary for "the people" to know why things happen of the sort? No. Do closed-door proceedings inspire confidence? Also no. |
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What I am suggesting is a thread labeled "Violations". If someone does something,
you post who it is and what the infraction is.
For example:
"eleven, you are in violation for using abusive language towards John Smith. First warning."
That's it. Nothing else. No need to make a public display or show. No sensationalism.
At the third warning, that person is now banned from the forum. Who could argue with that? The key is to give people a chance BEFORE they are banned.
"eleven, this is your third warning for violating forum rules. You have lost your posting priviledges."
End of story. |
One of the first rules of effective leadership/management is to "praise publicly, criticize privately"
We always try to reach members privately to warn them of rule violations or unacceptable behavior. It saves them some damaged pride and allows them to choose to change the questionable behavior. Sometimes we make a short comment in the public forums and we try to do so respectfully and pleasantly.
It is my experience that people like to see other people get chastised in order to make themselves feel vindicated in some fashion. I personally don't see this as constructive for anyone. If someone's esteem is enriched by the public admonishment of someone else, then they have problems beyond what this board can help them with.
| Quote: | | But at least this way, the person has been given a chance to repent- (always a good thing Very Happy ), and it makes you moderators much more credible than just having people disappear, or having threads deleted and so forth. |
I suppose this is a trust issue then. Personally I've not seen things on this board that would cause the membership to initially distrust the actions of the staff.
| Quote: | | One thing you have to remember too, people can't always make themselves clear on a forum. Because of the lack of voice and emotion, many times something that may have been totally innocent to the poster, was mistaken as something offensive to someone else, isn't that true? |
This again is an issue of mistrust. You make it sound as if members have been deleted wholesale without cause or for reasons that are not rule related. I can count on one hand the number of participating members who have been booted since I have been on this board (which will be 5 years next month).
Considering that truth, I honestly do not see a reason for any member to cause such a commotion about the whole thing.
| Quote: | | All I'm saying is, it is much more beneficial to all to offer the benefit of the doubt, |
Honestly, I think that is exactly what I am saying to you.
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| RevJP wrote: | | I can count on one hand the number of participating members who have been booted since I have been on this board (which will be 5 years next month). |
Oh man, it'll be three years for me in a couple of days. I'm not sure how I feel about this.
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