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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:04 pm    Post subject: Depression Reply with quote

We all face it sometimes in our lives, but for some it more difficult than others.
Depression is an illness that effects a lot of people.
I just wanted to share some info that may help us cope with depression, not only for ourselves but for our loved ones who suffer with it too.

How To Help a Depressed Person
By Nancy Schimelpfening, About.com
Updated: May 8, 2003

About.com Health's Disease and Condition content is reviewed by Steven Gans, MD

Depression Behavior
When someone we love feels depressed, it is only natural to want to help. Here are steps you can take.
Difficulty: Hard
Time Required: Varies
Here's How:
Educate yourself about their illness and it's treatment.
Read everything you can about how it feels to be depressed. It will help to understand why your loved one behaves the way they do.
Caring for a depressed person can be very draining. Take some time out to care for your own needs.
Give them support and love when they need it.
It's okay to feel angry, upset or frustrated. Develop a support system for yourself so you have someone to vent your feelings to.
Remember that depressed people can be angry, withdrawn or sad. They may not feel like having sex or doing the things they used to enjoy. This does not mean that they don't love you anymore. It's the illness talking.
Normal daily activities like housework, grocery shopping or paying bills can seem overwhelming to a depressed person. You may need to help them out for awhile just as you would if they had any other illness.
Remind your loved one of the importance of continuing their treatments. Help them with remembering medications and appointments.
One of the most important things depression robs one of is hope. Give them hope in whatever form you can.
Let them know that although you are angry with their illness, you will always love them.

Tips:
The most important thing you can do is just to be there and give them your support.
It is not your fault that they are depressed. Depression is an illness.
If your loved one becomes suicidal, do not hesitate to contact their physician for assistance.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Story From The Heart

What Does Depression Feel Like?
You don't just snap out of it

By ClubMom Member Rebecca, Sylvania, OH

I have dealt with some form of depression my whole life. I have heard it all: "Why don't you just snap out it of it?" or "Your life is fine, so what do you have to be depressed about?" It doesn't matter what goes on in my life. Depression has nothing to do with what is going on around me.

I can be on the top of the world one day, and the next wake up with this overwhelming urge to cry, to not do anything. And I won't know why I went to bed the night before happy, and woke up feeling as if nothing is going to go right. Depression can stem from a chemical imbalance, or from dealing with a stress in your life that you cannot seem to handle, or can come from anxiety.

What does it feel like to be depressed?

The world around you feels like it is gray, and you don't realize the beautiful things that are going on. You don't notice the butterflies, or the wonderful rainbows in the sky after a rain.
You feel like you are alone, even when you're in a crowd.
You don't feel like you are "worth it," or that anyone loves you even when, in truth, those around you will tell you you're loved.
You don't feel successful. You feel like a constant failure, even if you are not.
You don't experience joy.
Day-to-day life just passes you by.
Being depressed is not something we, who deal with depression, want to live with. For some of us, the only way to cope is to take depression medications that may alleviate our depression, and improve our chemical imbalance.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dealing with the Downs and Outs of Depression
by Gregg Krech

Usually, depression is not a mystery. It's a state of mind/body which naturally and often elegantly reflects the circumstances of our life. The death of a loved one. The breakup of a long term relationship. The unexpected loss of our savings in an investment gone wrong. Rejection. Illness. Disappointment. All of this can stimulate a chain of emotions and thoughts characterized by sadness and despair. Our body also mirrors our suffering, often having difficulty sleeping, losing appetite, sex drive, and feeling fatigued. Just getting up from the sofa is experienced as an ordeal.

Depression does not necessarily require a crisis or triggering event. Years of poor diet, unhealthy living and lack of exercise take their toll. Some of us swim in the stress of unreasonable goals and a shortage of time to get things done. Others lack meaningful work and a useful role in the world. For many of us who experience periods of depression, even lengthy periods, the cause is not a mystery. We need not search for childhood trauma or corrupted brain chemistry. We need only examine our lives.

Yet, for some people depression is a most unusual and confounding mystery. I am thinking of the human being who is the model of perfect health, engaged in meaningful and challenging work which he loves, surrounded by a loving and supportive family. Here is a person whose life rests on a solid spiritual foundation, who manages money responsibly, who complains little and expresses gratitude a lot. His life and lifestyle have no visible weak link -- like a stone wall with every stone solidly in place -- and yet this same creature is repeatedly consumed by a mood of hopelessness, emptiness and despair. Here we have depression veiled in mystery, without any natural or visible connection to life.

Though such people may be rare, the instances of unexplainable shifts and changes in our feelings are not. Have you ever awakened to the new day and found yourself feeling somewhat more happy and optimistic about things then you were when you went to bed? Yet the circumstances of your life are no different now than they were last night. Have you ever awakened and found yourself feeling somewhat down or even depressed though at bedtime you were feeling fine? Have you ever felt less agitated after a period of meditation? In any given moment the winds of life may send us a breeze of joy or sadness. In the next moment we find out we've won the lottery, and our mind/body is filled with a wave of surprise and excitement. One moment mystery, one moment not-mystery. So perhaps we can conclude that depression is not a mystery and, also, that it is a mystery.

Responding to Depression

Whether your depression is mysterious or not there are things you can do (and not do) that are likely to influence how you feel. There are also things you can do that will help you "live through" the feelings without your life collapsing. Many of these strategies are simple and make sense to us when we're not depressed. When we are depressed we forget them or our efforts to apply them give way to the quagmire of gloom which weighs us down. Yet it is those very moments in which depression is upon us, that we have the opportunity to learn a new way of responding to it. Even one small success gives us a foundation for doing something different.

A. Take steps to resolve or change your life situation.
In those cases where we are depressed because of some aspect of our life situation, the best thing we can do is to take steps to change the situation. If I've lost my job, I can take steps to find a new job. If I'm depressed because of my finances, I can put together a budget, refinance my home, moonlight at a second job, or declare bankruptcy. Any of these options change the situation. And as the situation changes, my feelings are likely to change also. The worst thing we can do is nothing, allowing a depressing situation to simply continue, while we complain and talk about our problems, but take no action.

Of course, periodically we are depressed and there is nothing that can be done to change the situation. The death of a loved one is an example. In such situations, we must learn to accept the reality of what has happened and realize that time will take the edge off the intensity of these emotions, though we may need to learn to co-exist with them as they arise throughout our life.


B. Find some meaningful purpose for living -- one day at a time.
Psychiatrist Viktor Frankl spent several years in the Nazi concentration camp Auschwitz. His profound story is told in the book, Mans' Search for Meaning. Through the daily horror of camp life there were people who gave up and people who did not. The survivors nearly always had some purpose for surviving-a purpose beyond themselves. For one person it was a child waiting in a foreign country. For another, it was a spouse who might still be alive in a different camp. For Frankl himself, it included rewriting the manuscript of his book which had been destroyed when he was taken prisoner. When Frankl counseled depressed patients he saw the change that would take place when they became involved in some meaningful activity. He stated, "whenever I succeeded in persuading the patients to volunteer in youth organizations, adult education, public libraries and the like-in other words, as soon as they could fill their abundant free time with some sort of unpaid but meaningful activity -- their depression disappeared...."

For some of us a "cause" like fighting poverty, or protecting the environment, fuels our life energy. For others, it is the care of a child, a pet or even a garden. The recognition that we have a useful and meaningful role to play in the daily affairs of the world counteracts depression. We see ourselves as part of a bigger picture, for purposeful living connects us to the world around us. But survival for the mere sake of surviving is not enough to give our life meaning. Common psychotherapeutic strategies which emphasize self-care and self-focus can never be a substitute for meaning and purpose. Unfortunately when we are depressed, we seldom see the suffering of others. Our challenge lies in forgetting ourselves and diving into the world in a way that gives us a reason to live.

C. Begin an exercise program -- gradually work your way up to a vigorous level of exercise.
When it comes to depression, psychologist Keith Johnsgard believes that strenuous exercise "is your very own virtually cost-free, self-administered, guaranteed intervention." Study after study shows the dramatic effect exercise has on mental health, and specifically on combating depression. Many of these studies compare depressed individuals who begin an exercise program with those in relaxation and/or psychotherapy programs. In most cases the exercise group fares at least as well as psychotherapy, and in several studies exercise turns out to be more effective than psychotherapy when follow-up studies are done years later. Exercise may not only help to relieve the feelings of depression, but actually help prevent it as indicated in a 1988 study which indicated that a low level of exercise activity in non-depressed white women often predicted the onset of depression as much as 8 years later.

My own personal experience has taught me the importance of keeping up a consistent exercise regimen. If I go more than 3 days without some type of vigorous exercise (biking, swimming, basketball) I begin to notice a clear shift in feelings and mood toward depression. Added to this is the laziness and heaviness in my body which comes from lack of exercise. If exercise is so great for our mental health, why don't we do it and stay with it? First, we tend to rely on our feelings and we often don't feel like exercising until we're actually doing it. The answer is to schedule a time to exercise and do it regardless of what you happen to be feeling at the time. The second most common reason we forego exercise is a busy schedule in which exercise often takes a back seat to the demands of work, children and other responsibilities. Here also, scheduling time and keeping that appointment helps make exercise into a healthy habit like brushing teeth. Research indicates that 20-40 minutes of aerobic exercise, three times per week can significantly improve both mental and physical well-being. So if you're feeling depressed, let your feelings accompany your body and get moving!


D. Eat a healthful diet.
"We know that food causes brain chemistry changes that affect the way healthy men and women feel and perform," writes food/mood authority Judith Wurtman, Ph.D. The greatest consensus is around what not to do. Sugar and caffeine will give you a brief "lift" only to let you down with a crash, playing with your mood like a psychological yo-yo. Nicotine and alcohol are also out if you're trying to influence your feelings through your diet. Beyond that it gets a bit more complex.

In general, complex carbohydrates, such as pasta, potatoes and rice tend to have a more calming effect on the mind by elevating brain levels of serotonin. Protein-rich foods (like beans, turkey and tofu) tend to stimulate greater alertness and have an "energizing" effect by increasing production of the neurotransmitters dopamine and norepinephrine. The problem is that high-protein animal products like meat and dairy also tend to be high fat. According to Wurtman, "(After) a high-fat meal, relatively more blood is diverted to the stomach and intestines and away from the brain. Mental processes are slowed and the mind is dulled...." Non-meat sources of proteins such as lentils, spinach and broccoli will help you keep your fat intake down.

A number of studies have shown an association between vitamin deficiencies and depression. A Tufts University study showed that one out of four depressed patients were deficient in Vitamins B6 and B12. And a study by the Institute of Psychiatry in London found that one out of three depressed patients were borderline to clinically deficient in folic acid. In fact folic acid is considered one of the most common vitamin deficiencies in the U.S. The bottom line is that what you eat is influencing your brain chemistry in ways similar to anti-depressant medication. So don't underestimate the impact of food on your mood.

E. Begin working with your attention.
Imagine that your attention is a flashlight. You can either shine it on yourself -- your thoughts, feelings, body sensations and problems -- or you can shine it on the world around you. Depression goes hand in hand with self- focused attention. Watch a depressed person walking down the street and they often have their head slightly down and their mind's eye focused inward on feelings and thoughts. In fact, even when we're not depressed we often "live in our head" much of the time. Once we recognize this, we can begin working with our attention so we notice more of what's going on around us. Colors become more brilliant. The shapes of leaves on trees intrigue us. Architecture. Shadows in the late afternoon against the backdrop of day lilies. Even a sleazy character in a poorly lit parking garage gets noticed when we are looking around. And when we are awed by a crimson sunset or humored by a comedy routine we're... not depressed. Consider this: You're only depressed when you're paying attention to your depression. Depression, like other feelings, isn't an all day affair-it's a moment-to-moment experience. More moments of noticing that means less moments of noticing this. And "this" may include feelings of depression.


F. Incorporate time for quiet self-reflection.
Sitting quietly can complement action stragegies and there are two methods I recommend. The first is called Naikan reflection and is based on a therapy which was developed in Japan. It involves 20-60 minutes of structured reflection using three questions: What have I received from others? What have I given to others? What troubles or difficulties have I caused others? The person can reflect on the past day (daily reflection) or reflect on a specific person (e.g. wife, co-worker) over a longer period of time. This type of reflection grounds us in the concrete reality of our life, whereas when we're depressed we tend to look on the dark side of everything, mostly noticing how things aren't going our way. The third question also reminds us that we are responsible for our conduct towards others. It's easy to get lost in our own perspective without trying to look at things from another's point of view. Naikan helps us to understand things from the other person's perspective which can create greater understanding and intimacy in our relationships. All in all, it's a wonderful method for helping us to see that the reality of our lives is often filled with the support of people and objects around us, even though we take them for granted.

The second method is any simple form of meditation (e.g. Zen meditation) which allows the person to sit quietly and simply observe thoughts and feelings as they arise without making any effort to resist them. In our daily life we often "react" to whatever feelings come up. We suddenly feel angry and we shout. We feel resentful and we pout. We feel depressed and become gloomy, complain, and act, well,... depressed. Meditation allows us to still our body, quiet our mind and study the process of how feelings come and go, rather than get caught in the content of a particular feeling. It teaches us, through practice, that we can co-exist with uncomfortable feelings, including those of depression.

G. Learn to accept and co-exist with depressed feelings.
Most of us are quite pleased to feel happy, but hate feeling depressed. This seems quite reasonable, but it becomes a problem when our intolerance of unpleasant feelings turns into resistance. The energy we put into "I don't want to feel this way, I want to feel happy" is a good strategy for fueling the exact feeling we wish would go away. The alternative is to accept the feeling and simply co-exist with it for a while. This was the approach recommended by Japanese Psychiatrist Shoma Morita (1874-1938), the founder of Morita Therapy. The key is not to allow the feeling to assume control of your life but rather to allow it to tag along while you continue to live your life. "Let's go, depression -- it's time to go jogging." Or "excuse me depression, but would you like to join me in the garden while I pull some weeds." This type of response to depression takes much of the "punch" out of it. The strategy is similar to karate or judo -- don't try to defeat your opponent by attacking him directly, particularly if he's stronger. Instead, use the strength of his attack to defeat him. So, I'm suggesting a kind of martial arts strategy for responding to depression. It takes practice, but after a few successes you'll find that it's much less painful than an all out war and it has the advantage of allowing you to make progress during periods when you were previously immobilized.

These are seven strategies that can help you respond more effectively to depression. They're not easy and developing skill will take some time and effort. But you'll find that most of these strategies will benefit you in other areas of your life: a healthier body, more intimate relationships, and a closer connection between your spiritual beliefs and your daily life. And many of these same strategies will be helpful in dealing with other unpleasant feeling states -- like anxiety, anger, shyness and fear. Sometimes they can hit you all at once. Then the whole group of you can jog down to the local vegetarian restaurant for a healthy meal. They won't like that. They may even get mad and go somewhere else. Oh well.

Gregg Krech is the Director of the ToDo Institute and the author of several books including A Natural Approach to Mental Wellness and the award-winning book Naikan: Gratitude, Grace and the Japanese Art of Self-Reflection. He conducts ToDo Institute's annual distance learning courses which include Working with Your Attention in April and A Month of Self-Reflection in November. More information on these courses is available by emailing the ToDo Institute at todo@together.net

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lt!

Great topic!

Because God loves us as depressed and UP-pressed, smile
Matthew 5:45,
my first depression is to hate myself as depressed.

Hatred of myself means that I am in double depression when depressed---I am depressed and i hate it---and that I am depressed by depression.
So that even when I am NOT deprsessed, my depressing attitude of hatred for myself as such still makes me deprerssed when not so---just by THINKING of it!

Plus, If I hate myself as depressed and hate depression, how can I genuinely love others who are depressed?
See?
And why shd they love me as depressed?
And even if they did love me as depressed, I wd not be able to appreciate their Love and must reject it!

sigh

So I love myself as UP-pressed and as depressed so that I am always UP in Love and On Love, which Love makes my depressions shallow and NO problem since I SHD be depressed after losing my job or my house or my car or my son or my dtr or my mom or my dad or my wife or my bro or my sister or wahtever!

So Love eliminates the real depression: The depressive attitude of Hate for myself and others as depressed nad as any word or state or condition or circumstance.
Phil 4:11-13.

Hope that helps.

with the Love for myself as depressed that auto lifts all depressions,
atoz
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi atoz,
sometimes depression can just creap up on you for no apparent reason at all. Life is good, everything is going fine, but there's this black cloud for some reason hanging over your head.
A lot of times we miss-read grief for depression too.
Grieving is a normal and healthy reaction to something that happens in our lives, and over time it can become a depressive state that takes root in us.
Hate or low-self esteem of oneself does play a major role..and a lot of times it can be something we're not eating and it causes a chemical imbalance in our brains.

I know depression.. Crying or Very sad
You can be feeling great, the world is great, no worries, no problems..then SLAM..you sink into this real black mood..and sometimes it's real hard to get out of it.
You don't know why your feeling that way. There doesn't seem to be a "cause" for it..it's just there.

Your whole attitude does a 180...
nothing is good, everything is stupid and useless and worthless, and you just wish you never was born and..and..

Then one day you wake up and it's gone..everything is ok again..don't know why or what changed it..
Some people though have a real hard time "waking up"..
and it can take months or even years for you to come back around again..

just sharin some thoughts..
Hugs
Lone
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lone-traveler wrote:

Hi atoz,
sometimes depression can just creep up on you for no apparent reason at all.

atoz: Hi Lt,
that's my brain automatically-as designed- trying to get me to love myself
as creepy or as crept up on or as assaulted or as a sneak or as random or as unreasonable or as reasonless and as etc.
See?

In Love of it, just as all of a sudden it goes away or you are still cool about being depressed.
In other words, Love makes depression normal and makes Hate of depression the abnormality.
Whereas, Hate for depression makes depression abnormal, while leaving the real abnormality in place!
See?
So Hate will have us going around looking for the normal we already found so that we will and can never find it!

It's kinda funny---it is so simple.
Suppose I live on a one way street pass the jail,
but I told you:
Whenever u come to visit me, if you go see the jail, you've gone too far.
Will you ever find me?
lol

So by abnormally hating what is normal: any word or grief or sadness or depression:
when ever I see those normal words or run into those words or felings, I will turn back looking for what normal is right ahead of me and that I've already found!
I'll never find what's normal!
see?

Recently, some one came to me:
Atoz, I feel as if I am bringing problems on myself.
What shd I do?

me: That's normal.
You are---bringing problems on you!

huh?
Without you, you cd have no solutions nor problems on you!
What's abnormal is only if you hate yourself as a problem and if you hate problems!

Huh?

Well, if you had said that you feel as if you are bringing solutions on yourself, wd u have been worried?

No!

Why? Because you love solutions!
But all solutions have more problems attached to them!
So when you love you as a problem and a solution, you really don't care if your FEEL as if you are bringing solutions or problems on yourself!
Why?
You LOVE both!
With that Love you can make double solutions of solutions and make solutions out of problems!!!

So with Love, do you care what you bring on you?
No!smile

Story done.

In all of the rest, I'll just underline the key words:

lone-traveler wrote:

Depression is simply feeling grief in Hate of the grief and the depression....so everything is compounded: the hate, the grief and the depression, each reinforcing each other.

Life is good, everything is going fine, but there's this
black cloud for some reason hanging over your head.
A lot of times we miss-read grief for depression too.
Grieving is a normal and healthy reaction to something that happens in our lives, and over [HATE AND IN THAT HATE OVER] time it can [WILL] become a depressive state that takes root in us.
Hate or low-self esteem of oneself does play a major role..and a lot of times it can be something we're not eating and it causes a chemical imbalance in our brains.[CHEMICAL IMBALANCE FIRST CAUSED BY OUR HATE FOR WHATEVER WORD THAT STOPPED US FROM EATING IN THE FIRST PLACE! EACH THOUGHT USES UP NEUROCHEMICAL ENERGY. SO WHEN WE HATE ANY WORD, WE OVER THINK ABOUT IT, WE LITERALLY USE UP NEUROCHMICAL ENERGY SO THAT WE GET A CHEMICAL IMBALANCE. THEN IF WE HATE HOW WE FEEL WHEN CHEMICALLY IMBALANCE, --like drained or tired or UNBALANCED!----HERE WE GO AGAIN!
SEE?
ALL WORDS ARE STORED IN OUR BRAINS as NEUROCHEMICALS!!!!! This is WHY AND how God says he is NOT mocked!]

I know depression.. Crying or Very sad
You can be feeling great, the world is great, no worries, no problems..then SLAM..you sink into this real black mood..and sometimes it's real hard to get out of it.
You don't know[you're ignorant] why your feeling that way. There doesn't seem to be a "cause" for it..it's just there.

Your whole attitude does a 180...
nothing is good, everything is stupid and useless and worthless, and you just wish you never was born and..and..

Then one day you wake up and it's gone..everything is ok again..don't know why or what changed it..
Some people though have a real hard time "waking up"..
and it can take months or even years for you to come back around again..[THAT IS GUARANTEEDLY BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE WERE NEVER TAUGHT TO LOVE THEMSELVES AS DEPRESSED AND ALL OTHER WORDS! So even after the depresion lifts, can we guess or prognosticate what will happen again to all of thsoe people? One guess!smile]

just sharin some thoughts..
Hugs
Lone


Hope that helps.

In Love of myself as depressed so that the Love lifts me up [song!smile] and lifts the depression,
atoz
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lone-traveler wrote:


.....
B. Find some meaningful purpose for living -- one day at a time.
Psychiatrist Viktor Frankl spent several years in the Nazi concentration camp Auschwitz. His profound story is told in the book, Mans' Search for Meaning. .....


Hi LT,

VK is a great person!
He want on to start NLP: Neuro-Linguistic Programming: where the patient, in effect, re-programs his words with Love!!!!

Here is some what he wrote and said:

"We who lived in concentration camps can remember the men who walked through the huts comforting others, giving away their last piece of bread. They may have been few in number, but they offer sufficient proof that everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms -- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way.

A thought transfixed me:
for the first time in my life I saw the truth as it is
set into song by so many poets,
proclaimed as the final wisdom by so many thinkers.
The truth--
that Love is the ultimate and the highest goal to which man can aspire.
Then I grasped the meaning of the greatest secret that human poetry and human thought and belief have to impart:
The salvation of man is through Love and in Love.
I understood how a man who has nothing left in this world may still know bliss, be it only for a brief moment, in the contemplation of his beloved. In a position of utter desolation, when a man cannot express himself in positive action, when his only achievement may consist in enduring his sufferings in the right way--an honorable way--in such a position man can, through loving contemplation of the image he carries of his beloved, achieve fulfillment.
For the first time in my life, I was able to understand the words,
"The angels are lost in perpetual contemplation of an infinite glory [of Love!]."
Viktor Emil Frankl

‘T)here is also purpose in that life which is almost barren of both creation and enjoyment and which admits of but one possibility of high moral behavior:
namely, in man's attitude to his existence, and existence restricted by external forces.... Without suffering and death human life cannot be complete.’ (1963, p. 106)
Viktor Emil Frankl.

“Love is the ultimate and the highest goal to which man can aspire."
(1963, pp. 58-59) Viktor Emil Frankl: VEF.

Story done!smile

with Love,
atoz
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