The scripture teaches that christ loved the church and gave

beloved57 · Show Poodle Joined: 21 Mar 2007 Posts: 263

eph 5:

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

What is or who is the church ?

A simple definition is the called out ones. as in 1 cor 1:

2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:[note, only the called ones or the church, calls upon the mane of the lord]

Its a calling into fellowship 1cor 1:

God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

In other words, its like a wife being created to fellowship with her husband..Just like typically speaking, eve was called out by the operation and power of God from within Her husband, to fellowship with him..

So it is with this entity, that Jesus christ is said to love and to give himself for.

Now, this church coincidently is liken unto a wife, or a bride..Jesus christ has a bride, a church a wife rev 21:

9And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

This is very important, because scripture teaches that the wife and husband are one..

This wife or bride was espoused to the bride groom before the world began jn 17:

2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

6I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

When was the Husband of the bride set up ? prov 8:

22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

30Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

31Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

amen, this bridegroom was delighted with the eternal purpose and plan concerning those given to Him as His bride..

ps 40: 8I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

The bride or church is a special elect group of people[of all ethnic groups] that God dearly loves and treasures,[above all others] that he could only espoused them to the care unto one especially beloved and unique , and That is His Son, the GodMan Mediator, The Lord Jesus christ, hence, he manifests His love and trust in His Son, by entrusting Him with His treasured people..Gods Love has been set upon this peopel from everlasting Jer 31:

3The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

Jesus christ alludes to the oneness and reciprocating love the father has for He and for his bride and church . Jn 17:

23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

The oneness of christ and his church or bride is taught in heb 2:

11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

Now, look at eph 5:

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

This is a perfect compliment to the truth of christ loving and dying for his wife, his bride..in order to sanctify her and cleanse her from all her unrighteouness , she incurred in her guilt in adam..

The wife and bride of Jesus christ, became flesh and blood in adam, and incurred guilt, but because of her relationship in her spiritual husband, the GodMan Mediator, the Lord Jesus christ, He because of His Love for her, took on himself, flesh and blood, in order to deliver her from her the satans destructive work unto her..

heb 2:

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

This does mean that the incarnte christ, while living upon this earth, had his fallen wife and bride in him, just as the 1 st adam had his wife in him..

There was a union exisiting with Jesus christ in the flesh, and his church in the flesh

look at eph 5:

30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

amen, it was as members of his flesh and bones, that we Identified with and were crucified on the cross with him..

1pet 3:

18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

You see, Jesus christ death was only for those who were members of his flesh and bones, his wife, because they are one. Always have been and always will be..

It is because of his wife in him that Jesus christ fulfilled all the righteous demands and laws of God the Fathers offended and broken Law..

it was because of His wife in him that he was baptized in the river Jordon to fulfill all righteouness..

matt 3:

15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

whose the us ? I believe its him and his members, his wife, his bride in him, bone of his bone, flesh of his flesh, this is why Jesus said suffer it so.

BTW, the beast and *One Who Practices the World's Oldest Profession* church has corrupted the ordinance of water baptism, but for those of us, who were in christ as His bride, dont worry, you have been baptized in the river Jordon, halieuia..

Jesus christ was the bride groom as recogonized by John the baptist: jn 3:

29He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled

Amen, the bride heareth the voice of the bridegroom, remember Jesus said, jn 1o:

27My sheep[bride] hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

song of sol 2:

8The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.

9My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.

10My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.

This beloved fallen bride was in him when He hung upon calvary tree, and was foresaken of God the Father, oh suffer it to be so, for it behooves us to fulfill all righteousness, the righteousness of Gods offended and holy Law, thats why christ sufferd death upon the cross. Oh cursed are those who preach a false gospel, and calls them destined for eternal fire, objects of Gods love..[ For His Love is for his wife, his bride, espoused to him before the world began]

For Jesus bore the curse of the law for his blessed wife and bride in him, for its written cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree..It was her sins imputed on to him..It was for those who were one with him, his sinful wife.

gal 3:

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Not only was the bride, his wife in him on that tree, when he died that accursed death for her, but she was in him on that glorious resurrection morning, she rose from that accursed death, set free, redeemed by his blood..

This is the gospel paul preached, that was revealed to him from heaven. 1cor 15:

1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins[ the church] according to the scriptures;

4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

paul called these corinthians what ? 2 cor 11:

1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.

2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. as in eph 5:

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

A universal love for all mankind, is another gospel..!!!

This is the gospel, this is the gospel that shall be preached, and then shall the end come..

It is this gospel that Jesus will call out his lost sheep from false religon and whoredom, if thy be his, if thy be of his church, his bride..

May God bless the election of grace to hear these faithful and true words..

GospelCompilation · Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:54 am Post subject:

You wrote above, saying, "Oh cursed are those who preach a false gospel, and calls them destined for eternal fire."

BETWEEN DOCTRINE AND FRUIT

What we must be sure of is that it is not we ourselves who preach a false gospel. After all, Jesus did not say, "By their doctrines you shall know them." He said, "By their fruit you shall know them."

And, what are these fruit He speaks about? Paul tells us in Galatians 5:22-23 that "the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control." This is how we will know the true from the false.

Doctrines don't mean squat. Doctrines do not seal us for the day of redemption. Doctrines do not make us righteous. Doctrines are not the fulfillment of the law. Please hear what I'm saying, friend: Doctrine is useless... unless it is "the doctrine of Christ."

THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST

What is the doctrine of Christ? II John 1:9 says that "whoever does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God." So, whatever the "doctrine of Christ" is, it must be pretty important. So, let's look at the context of II John, because it's the exact same message given in I John.

Verse 4-5 make it pretty clear what the "doctrine of Christ" is. John wrote, saying, "I rejoiced greatly that I have found some of your children walking in truth, as we received commandment from the Father. And now I plead with you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we have had from the beginning: that we love one another."

I Timothy 6:3-5 gives us a clear warning about those who would argue against love. Paul wrote, saying "if anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself."

Paul encouraged young Timothy to follow "the words of our Lord Jesus Christ." And what did Jesus teach? Did He teach us to follow doctrine? No, He taught us to love one another.

GOD IS LOVE and LOVE IS UNCONDITIONAL

You also said that "universal love for all mankind, is another gospel." Well, I think you should take that argument up with Jesus, then, because He was pretty clear in John 3:16-17 when He said that "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through Him."

The very character of God is love (see I John 4:8. But does that mean God only loves His elite? Of course not! Love is not conditional. Let me say that again: love is not conditional. Agape is not a conditional love. It is unconditional. That means it includes and is extended to everyone. That is why Christ could die for us "while we were yet sinners," because agape is totally 100% completely unconditional.

Despite what John Calvin or any other man says, God is agape and agape is unconditional. That is a fact of Scripture. And His love extends to all men everywhere... which is why Jesus told us to "Go into all the world."

DOCTRINE WON'T SAVE US IN THE END

Jesus told us an interesting parable in Matthew 22:8-10: "Then he said to his servants, 'The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.' So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests."

That is why Jesus said to the Pharisees (those who understood and followed "doctrine") that "tax collectors and harlots enter the kingdom of God before you" (see Matthew 21:31).

We can have all the right doctrine, understand all the mysteries of Scripture, and we can exercise all faith and prophecy and heal and do great miracles in Jesus' name, and we can feel like we are the very elect of God, but we'll still miss the boat when Christ returns. Why? Because we are nothing more than a clanging symbol.

If we do not have unconditional love for all mankind, my friend, then neither we do we have God; because, God's very character is an unconditional agape love that goes out to all men everywhere.

My suggestion is that we all do an indepth study on the unconditionality of God's love, as taught by our Lord and Master... for that is, after all, the only way we will ever have "the mind of Christ."

Smiles, my brother.

MoJo · Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:28 am Post subject:

Is the word **if** a conditional word?

Smile

GospelCompilation · Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:58 am Post subject:

beloved57 · Show Poodle Joined: 21 Mar 2007 Posts: 263

Nobby · Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject:

beloved57, was it necessary to quote all of
GospelCompilation's whole post. Just quote the part you want to answer! OK? Very Happy

Nobby