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JimD
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 Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:57 am Post subject: 1 Peter 3:18-19 |
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| bitterlily, maybe this will work?JimD |
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bitterlily
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:04 am Post subject: Re: 1 Peter 3:18-19 |
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Hi JimD,
Well I think these verses are pretty straight forward:
For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive by the Spirit: By whom also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 1 Peter 3:18-19
Let me add verse 20:
Who formerly were disobedient (unbelieving), when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, by which a few, that is, eight souls were saved through water. 1 Peter 3:20
So Jesus went and preached the Gospel to the spirits in prison who formerly were disobedient and drowned in the flood of Noah's day. I also hear this partially referred to in these verses:
Therefore he says, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended FIRST into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill ALL things.) Ephesians 4:8-10
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10-11
I have sworn by myself, the WORD has gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Isaiah 45:23
How does that sit with you?
Good Night! 
Love Bitterlily
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In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water. Joh 7:37-38
As a lily among thorns, So is my love among the daughters. Son 2:2 |
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JimD
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: Re: 1 Peter 3:18-19 |
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bitterlily, how stupid of me, of course thats the way you see it.
Want to suggest another subject?
What has your church affiliation been?
How old are you?
Do you work, what doing?
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bitterlily
Big Pit Bull
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: 1 Peter 3:18-19 |
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Hi JimD,
| JimD wrote: | | bitterlily, how stupid of me, of course thats the way you see it. |
That's just how I hear it and I don't believe I'm reading anymore into the verses than what the text says. Are you gonna share your take on these verses?
| JimD wrote: | | What has your church affiliation been? |
I was raised in the Catholic Church until my family left when I was 11. Since the Lord came into my life 8 years ago? None! In my heart? All Christ's sheep scattered far and wide, both in and outside of Church Organisations.
| JimD wrote: | | How old are you? |
I'm in my 30's. 
| Quote: | | Do you work, what doing? |
I'm a housewife and mother of 4 kids.
How bout you JimD?
Can I be honest with you? Your first comment and subsequent questions about my age, church affiliation and line of work made me a little nervous. Forgive me if this is not what you intended, but they gave me the impression that you think the things I believe about Scripture have been passed down to me by some affiliation and I am just parroting what others have told me. If this is the case let me just say, since the Lord came into my life 8 years ago I have seeked to be guided by the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit alone. This doesn't mean that I haven't read other peoples material because I have very much so. But never have I felt the pressure to conform to any particular viewpoint except the one that I hear from the Scriptures. Is my hearing infallible? No! But I have learned through avid study of the Bible that neither is anyone elses. Since the first time I read this following verse I took it to heart:
And he spoke a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? Luke 6:39
Causing me to seek to be guided and taught by the One and Only who sees all things perfectly. Our Shepherd.
Hope you don't mind me sharing this with you. I just wanted you to know exactly where I am coming from. I have no desire to draw people to myself or a particular group but to the Lord Jesus himself who fulfills all His promises to those who put their trust in Him, alone.
| JimD wrote: | | Want to suggest another subject? |
I had some thoughts about Scripture recently (specifically regarding the New Covenant) that I hadn't previously heard or considered before. I am not quite sure whether it is something that Christian Churches teach or not but it will be interesting to find out. I'm just not sure what subject heading to give it. Hmmmmm....
Ok. I think the best name for it is "THE WORKS OF THE NEW COVENANT LAW!"
Here is the link:
http://bible-discussion.com/message-board-forum/viewtopic.php?p=119423#119423
See you there! 
With Love
Bitterlily
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In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water. Joh 7:37-38
As a lily among thorns, So is my love among the daughters. Son 2:2 |
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JimD
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: Re: 1 Peter 3:18-19 |
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| Quote: | bitterlily said:
That's just how I hear it and I don't believe I'm reading anymore into the verses than what the text says. Are you gonna share your take on these verses? |
This is my take:
Christ in the Spirit (preached righteousness, 2 Pet. 2:5) through Noah to those whos spirits are (now, when Peter was speaking, New American Standard 95) in prison.
You probably realize this is considered one of the more difficult passages of scripture to interpret, it is also the main scripture Catholics use for the doctrine of purgatory, and this can lead into US. So you may have more of your early training influence than you think. I know that i can see my early training (Church Of Christ) influencing me.
| Quote: | bitterlily said:
I was raised in the Catholic Church until my family left when I was 11. Since the Lord came into my life 8 years ago? None! In my heart? All Christ's sheep scattered far and wide, both in and outside of Church Organisations. |
You certainly have the right idea about the church.
[quote]bitterlily said:
I'm in my 30's. [/quote
I am 68.
| Quote: | bitterlily said:
How bout you JimD? |
I am retired (GM) father of two, have a shop behind my house where i restore antique aircraft. I attend and teach Sunday school in a baptist church but do not consider myself to be a true baptist (too many doctrines that i do not agree with, in part or in whole).
| Quote: | bitterlily said:
Is my hearing infallible? No! But I have learned through avid study of the Bible that neither is anyone elses. |
Right on! but never the less we all have to deal with the fact that we think we are right, and it is very difficult for us to admit that we are wrong on a specific issue, if it happens at all it usually happens very slowly and sometimes even painfully.
| Quote: | bitterlily said:
Causing me to seek to be guided and taught by the One and Only who sees all things perfectly. Our Shepherd.
Hope you don't mind me sharing this with you. I just wanted you to know exactly where I am coming from. I have no desire to draw people to myself or a particular group but to the Lord Jesus himself who fulfills all His promises to those who put their trust in Him, alone. |
Amen! & Amen!
God Bless, JimD see you at the other thread:[/u] |
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bitterlily
Big Pit Bull
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: 1 Peter 3:18-19 |
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Dear JimD,
I greatly appreciate the personal details you have shared with me and your subsequent comments. They have touched my heart in ways that I struggle to express.
| JimD wrote: | This is my take:
Christ in the Spirit (preached righteousness, 2 Pet. 2:5) through Noah to those whos spirits are (now, when Peter was speaking, New American Standard 95) in prison. |
Thanks for sharing your take on this verse. I didn't think it was possible that 2 people could hear the same thing so differently. I will examine it closely and get back to you.
| JimD wrote: | | You probably realize this is considered one of the more difficult passages of scripture to interpret, it is also the main scripture Catholics use for the doctrine of purgatory, and this can lead into US. So you may have more of your early training influence than you think. I know that i can see my early training (Church Of Christ) influencing me. |
You may find this hard to believe but I had never actually heard of purgatory until after the Lord came into my life. The Lord came into my Mum's life when I was a baby in arms and although she didn't physically leave the Church until I was 11, her heart had left there many years before. I had no knowledge of this until after the Lord came into my life and I began to ask her questions about our Catholic upbringing because of the contradictions I saw with it and the Bible. This is when she told me about the doctrine of purgatory and how the candles that we as kids used to love buying for 10 cents each and lighting for our deceased relatives every Sunday was in hope that God would have mercy on them and release them from purgatory early. Honestly, I was absolutely flawed!  Even my mum was surprised to realize that I had no idea that many of the things she did and taught me as a child, contradicted the Catholic Church. For example, my mum taught me to question everything, to follow my gut (my conscience) regardless of what people told me. Whether they be Priest, Pastor, Elder, Saint or even Herself. The very opposite of how she was raised. My mum has often thanked me for having the courage to do what she herself was too frightened to do. I used to be so baffled by this because I had always assumed that she only taught me what she herself possessed. I love my mum dearly and I doubt I would have had the courage to follow her instructions had I known that she was not walking the plank with me. There is so much more I'd love to share with you but I better stop coz already this is quite long. Maybe we could share more by pm or email?
| JimD wrote: | | Quote: | bitterlily said:
I was raised in the Catholic Church until my family left when I was 11. Since the Lord came into my life 8 years ago? None! In my heart? All Christ's sheep scattered far and wide, both in and outside of Church Organisations. |
You certainly have the right idea about the church. |
Thankyou JimD, it is very encouraging to hear this from a person of your stature and experience.
| JimD wrote: | | Quote: | bitterlily said:
Is my hearing infallible? No! But I have learned through avid study of the Bible that neither is anyone elses. |
Right on! but never the less we all have to deal with the fact that we think we are right, and it is very difficult for us to admit that we are wrong on a specific issue, if it happens at all it usually happens very slowly and sometimes even painfully. |
Thanks again JimD. I am greatly comforted and encouraged by your words. I often become very nervous talking to people in positions of authority (e.g. Teacher of Sunday School) but you have greatly eased my discomfort through these words. You see, I am very much aware of how difficult it is for us to admit that we are wrong on any given issue and that it can be very painful to do so. And doubly so if there are people in our lives who hold us in high esteem. Which is why I call myself a student and will forever in my heart remain so, regardless of what others may learn from me or esteem me to be. I have a motto that I live by which is, "Always be willing to be wrong" and I am reminded of it often, especially when I think I am right about something. I find it has helped to keep my heart open to receiving the Lord's correction if and when I am in need of it. It also helped give me a sense of what David was talking about when he said:
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for you are with me; your rod and your staff they comfort me. Psalms 23:4
I get the feeling, that despite your wisdom and experience of years and honoured position of Teacher to Sunday School Children that you have managed to keep a Student's heart as well, and I am greatly touched by it. Words seem to be failing me right now (which is very unusual for me  ). I am just so thankful to have met you!
| Quote: | | Quote: | bitterlily said:
Causing me to seek to be guided and taught by the One and Only who sees all things perfectly. Our Shepherd.
Hope you don't mind me sharing this with you. I just wanted you to know exactly where I am coming from. I have no desire to draw people to myself or a particular group but to the Lord Jesus himself who fulfills all His promises to those who put their trust in Him, alone. |
Amen! & Amen! |
SSS Smilie!!! SSS Smilie!!!
(See my Avatar in the left hand corner of all my posts? I created it after becoming frustrated that there was not an emoticon that accurately expressed how I felt. Note that it is smiling and crying with puppydog eyes. This is my SSS Smilie!!! So if I use it in future you know what I am referring to!)
| Quote: | | God Bless, JimD see you at the other thread:[/u] |
God Bless you too JimD.
All my Love, and Respect and Hugs.
From a Humbled Bitterlily
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In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water. Joh 7:37-38
As a lily among thorns, So is my love among the daughters. Son 2:2 |
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