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noah
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 Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:31 pm Post subject: Dating Creation 4106 BC |
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Hi noah. welcome to the board. 
I'm interested in the dating as well, so I hope you don't mind I've copied this to study in more detail later. I won't comment till I've had a good look at it.
| Quote: | | The name “Cainan” mentioned in Luke 3:36 is not mentioned in the Genesis account and therefore is not included in the 22 count. Please refer to NIV study notes on Genesis 11:12-13 for possible origin of this reference. |
I don't have the NIV. What do the study notes say about this?
Interestingly, in the Luke geneology, including Cainan gives you a count of 77 generations from Jesus to God.
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Welcome to the board Noah...
I like your spirit, but your post is a little loooooooooong. 
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noah
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: re: Cainan |
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The NIV study notes provide the text as rendered in Septuagint.
Further comments on Cainan can be found at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cainan
Is Cainan a gap? (look for subtitle 3/4 down)
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Point of Contention,
With the creation date, the time between Adam and Noah and then Noah to the flood we get a flood date of 2450 BCE.
4106 - 1056 - 600 = 2450
There are a lot of problems with this date; for one it falls right in the middle of the 5th Dynasty in Egypt during the reign of Pharoe Neferefre. Yet there was not a mention and the 5th Dynasty moved forward without ANY interruption. In China, the Longshan culture also apparantly completely missed the great flood and had no record of it.
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Considering Voodoo's post I would suggest that whoever chooses to discuss this topic agree upon a dating scale to be used. Noah posted using B.C. and voodoo posted using BCE.
It would go a long way to further this discussion if we did not add unnecessary confusion.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Dating Creation 4106 BC |
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| noah wrote: | Thesis:
God created man in the year 4106 BC. The Word of God has been declared over a span of 4200 years.
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And the fact that we have human fossils, cave paintings, and other human artifacts that are considerably older than this don't bother you at all?
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noah
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VoodooChild wrote:
| Quote: | | ... we get a flood date of 2450 BCE |
The timeline outlined here points to a flood date of 2450 BCE.
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RevJP wrote:
| Quote: | | Noah posted using B.C. and voodoo posted using BCE |
BCE (Before Common Era) is equivalent to B.C and CE (Common Era) is equivalent to A.D. This terminology is broadly accepted and ok with me.
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| Quote: | | And the fact that we have human fossils, cave paintings, and other human artifacts that are considerably older than this don't bother you at all? |
Have you seen these fossils?
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| noah wrote: | | P# wrote: |
And the fact that we have human fossils, cave paintings, and other human artifacts that are considerably older than this don't bother you at all? |
Have you seen these fossils?
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Are you saying that because these two fossils aren't ancient, it is ok to conclude that NO fossils are ancient???
Ther definitely are fossils which are many millions of years old. The science behind dating fossils is well-understood, and it is totally sound.
But you don't even have to look at fossils. There are cave paintings at Lascaux, France which are more than 10,000 years old. Check it out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascaux
Do you doubt that these were painted by humans?
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VoodooChild
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Noah,
Do you have any explanation as to why Egyptian written history showed no signs or ever mentioned a great flood during the 5th Dynasty under Pharoe Neferefre? Or the Longshan civilization in China, why did they show no signs of being eradicated during this time? By the way, thank you for your charity in this discussion.
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Um....because it didn't happen.....or they left it out.....or they're all going to hell. I give up, which one?
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And just out of curiosity... if God created man in the year 4106 B.C., then in which year did He create the universe?
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Another point to be made here is that no credible scientist on the planet thinks that ALL forms of fossilization take millions of years. Everyone agrees that fossilization CAN happen fairly quickly.
NOBODY thinks that all fossils are ancient. However, there definitely are SOME ancient fossils.
Furthermore, fossils are just one example of proof that humans have been around much more than 6000 years. Cave paintings and other artefacts are other evidence that are impossible to sweep under the rug...
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noah
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VoodooChild wrote:
| Quote: | | Do you have any explanation as to why Egyptian written history showed no signs or ever mentioned a great flood during the 5th Dynasty under Pharoe Neferefre? |
First let's review a photograph of the gravisite of Neferefre that someone tried to date:
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Here's a chart of the revised Egyptian chronology by David Down:
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Here's the complete article by field archaeologist David Down (a good read):
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A much stronger argument against the great flood is that there literally wasn't enough water on the whole planet to flood the planet up to the height of the highest mountain. It just isn't possible. Where did all the water go?
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