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Abdelaleem
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 Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:49 am Post subject: A Moslem in the discussion |
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Hi ,
I’m Abdelaleem. I’m Moslem. I’m interested in religious discussion. I believe like any Moselm that the Christianity started Unitarian like all profits religious from one source Allah. I read about the history of Church from Moselms and Christians resources, now I believe that the Council of Nicaea take the Christianity too far from the Jesus original message.
Also, I sew some questions about Islam. I can put some answers to you.
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atoz
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Hi Abdeleem,
Salaam-aleikum!
Welcome!
I am very glad you are here!
I happen to be a Christian who loves himself as all muslims--all shia and all sunni---so I love all muslims as myself....as the original messages of Moses & Jesus & Mohammed, pbuh, and etc were and are still all about.
Christianity:
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them:
for this is The Law and The Prophets."
Matthew 7:12
Islam:
"None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself."
Number 13 of Imam "Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadiths."
Judaism:
"...thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."
Leviticus 19:18
"What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man.
This is The Law: all the rest is commentary."
Talmud, Shabbat 31a.
"And what you hate, do not do to any one."
Tobit 4:15
So, do you love yourself as shia and sunni so that you can easily love and respect all muslims as yourself?
Do you love yourself as christian so you can automatically love all xtians as yourself?
Do you think it is ok to hate any muslim or xtian or hindu or jew or whoever?
I look fwd to your answers.
with all Love & Respect for all muslims & all jews & all hindus & all xtians & all etc,
atoz |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: |
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HI Abdelaleem,
nice to meet you.
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Abdelaleem
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Atoz,
Although your message is very kind but you asked me some questions that full of suspicious about my thoughts.
I love and hate. I love you when you discuss in respect but I hate you when say bad words.
I accept you when you say Mohamed is not a real profit from Allah but I don’t accept bad words about him. You can criticize the subject not the person.
I consider love is multiple levels:-
• First level is I love all as a human. Yes I love everyone who is sharing humanity with me. This is mandatory and all your questions are answered her. All people are the same. It’s obligatory in Islam to be merciful with all it’s not a choice
• Second level is love in religious. I (guess you and everyone) can’t pertain that I love others more (or same as) than brotherhood in religion.
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atoz
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Thanx, Abdelaleem, for your answers....especially when you say that you love all humans.
| Abdelaleem wrote: |
Hi Atoz,
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I consider love is multiple levels:-
• First level is I love all as a human. Yes I love everyone who is sharing humanity with me. This is mandatory and all your questions are answered her. All people are the same. It’s obligatory in Islam to be merciful with all it’s not a choice
• Second level is love in religious. I (guess you and everyone) can’t pertain that I love others more (or same as) than brotherhood in religion.
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But you also say this:
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I love and hate.
I love you when you discuss in respect
but
I hate you when say bad words.
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Regards |
Does that mean that you hate yourself when you say bad words?
Are you teaching others
to hate you when you say bad words,
and
to hate you when they think you say bad words?
with all Love and Respect,
atoz |
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Pondering
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Abdelaleem wrote: | | First level is I love all as a human. Yes I love everyone who is sharing humanity with me. This is mandatory and all your questions are answered her. All people are the same. It’s obligatory in Islam to be merciful with all it’s not a choice |
then you're not a good Muslim...Muslims are commanded to destroy those that reject the "one true faith"...so, your compatriots love me while they kill those that refuse to accept Islam?
Sunni consider Shia apostotate...are you neither Sunni or Shia?
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• Second level is love in religious. I (guess you and everyone) can’t pertain that I love others more (or same as) than brotherhood in religion.
Regards |
Ok...lets say I was born Muslim but convert to Judiasm...what are you commanded to do to me? |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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 ...good one pondering...
also...
welcome abdel...it is cool to have you here...i mean we already have some from the ur camp...so a moslem or whatever should not be any worse or less biblical...  |
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Abdelaleem
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Hi Pondering,
I’m neither a God nor a judge nor a terminator. Your comment is full arrogance, sarcasm and suspicious. I’ll not answer you.
I’ll tell you one thing there is one God who sent prophets to tell people that there is only one God, unique almighty , no son, no mother, nothing like him.
All profits have the same mission Abraham, Moses, Christ, and last one Mohamed.
You’re right that Islam is the | Pondering wrote: | | “"one true faith". |
Do you know why?
Because Moses was asking people to be Moslems, same for Christ. So, all were preaching of Islam. The origin of the Church is the Unitarian church till fellowship of Paul takes it far away using the power of the emperor Constantine in Nicea
I wish you relinquish your arrogance and sarcasm and discuss seriously. Who knows?
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FFT
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Abdelaleem wrote: | | Because Moses was asking people to be Moslems, same for Christ. So, all were preaching of Islam. |
On what grounds do you believe that Mohammad didn't fail in the same way as Moses and Christ? |
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Abdelaleem
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| FFT wrote: | | On what grounds do you believe that Mohammad didn't fail in the same way as Moses and Christ? |
Neither Moses nor Christ failed. They did there mission in the best way. I’m afraid you don’t read my posts you just jump to a challenging point then reply. I hope you read it neutrally.
The problem is in people.
The evidences that Jews and Christians corrupted the Torah and Gospels are undeniable.
Why Islam is different:-
• As It’s the last, Allah promised to keep the Quran untouchable
• There are Moselms groups deviated in Islam as well as there were deviations in Christianity and Judaism
• As we’ve the Quran untouchable, then there is the majority of Moselms are following the original
• The problem with Judaism and Christianity is that the right group vanishes . for example in Christianity the Unitarian became rare and minor |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| nice side step of ponderings question....perhaps your own arrogance is stopping you from a direct, truthful and honest reply ... |
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Abdelaleem
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | nice side step of ponderings question....perhaps your own arrogance is stopping you from a direct, truthful and honest reply ... |
not at all, I'll not go to that level of discussion. I don't have to cope with this.
If I answer this there will be thousands of other questions. I'm here to reply or post subjects related to Islam not about myself.
If I answer yes, he'll not believe me. If I answer No he'll say ok see Moselms.
We never have in our history like Spanish Inquisition . |
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FFT
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| Abdelaleem wrote: | | Neither Moses nor Christ failed. |
Okay. On what grounds do you believe that Mohammad's message was interpreted correctly by his followers in a way that Moses' and Christ's were not?
| Abdelaleem wrote: | | The evidences that Jews and Christians corrupted the Torah and Gospels are undeniable. |
They're quite deniable to those who refuse to believe otherwise. Why would you or other Muslims be any different?
| Abdelaleem wrote: | | We never have in our history like Spanish Inquisition . |
On average, how many Moslems would you say die in a day due to sectarian violence? |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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ok...
| abdel wrote: | | If I answer this there will be thousands of other questions. I'm here to reply or post subjects related to Islam not about myself. |
good...then i will rephrase ponderings(without his permission of course) question..all bolded has been changed by me...
| Quote: | | lets say one was born Muslim but convert to Judiasm...what are true believers of the muslim faith commanded to do to that person? |
and this is a sincere question...without arrogance..... |
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Abdelaleem
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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You know the answer for sure. it's not a secret.
We've a well educated person .
He is intelligent enough to know what is good and what is bad.
he starts to destroy his country infrastructure.
he causes corruption in the society.
what is his punishment? |
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