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Abdelaleem
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Joined: 27 Oct 2007
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 Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:09 pm Post subject: clear away the 'out-dated image about Islam |
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I noticed that some people here has incorrect idea about Islam. I noticed also that all topics starts with a negative idea. I’ll try something else. Why don’t I introduce Islam in a simple basic shape. I’ll introduce it to people :-
• Who wants to know/ensure something
• Who wants to understand
I hope I can clear your ideas about Islam from Islamic resources not from non-Islamic resources
I’ll start with a document produced by the Office for Non-Christian Affairs at the Vatican under the title Orientations for a Dialogue between Christians and Muslims (Orientations pour un dialogue entre chrétiens et musulmans). It is a very important document in that it shows the new position adopted towards Islam. As we read in the third edition of this study (1970), this new position calls for 'a revision of our attitude towards it and a critical examination of our prejudices' . . . 'We should first set about progressively changing the way our Christian brothers see it. This is the most important of all.' . . . We must clear away the 'out-dated image inherited from the past, or distorted by prejudice and slander' . . . , and 'recognize the past injustice towards the Muslims for which the West, with its Christian education, is to blame.' The Vatican document is nearly 150 pages long. It therefore expands on the refutation of classic views held by Christians on Islam and sets out the reality.
Under the title Emancipating ourselves from our worst prejudices (Nous libérer de nos préjugés les plus notables) the authors address the following suggestions to Christians: "Here also, we must surrender to a deep purification of our attitude. In particular, what is meant by this are certain 'set judgements' that are all too often and too lightly made about Islam. It is essential not to cultivate in the secret of our hearts views such as these, too easily or arbitrarily arrived at, and which the sincere Muslim finds confusing."
Can we start clearing your ideas about Islam and introduce it to you? |
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Steven3
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Joined: 10 Jul 2007
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Location: UK
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: Re: clear away the 'out-dated image about Islam |
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Hi Abdelaleem  | Abdelaleem wrote: | | Can we start clearing your ideas about Islam and introduce it to you? |
Sure!
But it should be a two-way street. Muslims have to also start clearing some of their ideas about the Bible.
For example one thing that muslims could learn is to please not exaggerate the small (microscopically small) differences in OT and NT manuscripts:
| Abdelaleem, in the Isaac or Ishmael thread wrote: | | What I can say is that the Quran is not changed since Mohamed get it from Allah. It’s as is and will be. This is not the case for OT and NT. |
This kind of comment doesn't help, because we the Quran has not been exposed to the same textual-critical methods as the OT and NT.
As I understand, the Uthman Qur'an in Tashkent is the oldest in the world, older than copies in Mecca.
Does it agree with copies in Mecca in every word? Then if it does you may have 100% consistency. But consistency is not the only criteria for textual-criticism. Other criteria would include dispersion or diversity of witness - areas where the NT particularly does very well.
I am not a muslim, so I would be allowed to examine the claims of the Quran by the same robust scientific methods that for the last 200 years have been applied to the OT and NT. I am allowed to read books like the following:
Christianity has no taboo on testing our foundations - so I get my knowledge of OT and NT textual-criticism from the main texts by Wurthwein and Aland, or Metzger.
 
These are books written by texual critics, a lot of fundamentalist Christians would disagree with a Christian like me reading them, Yet after reading them I can say that the OT has at least 99.8% consistency and the NT has at least 99.5% consistency from a scientific standpoint - and these scholars are critical, almost agnostic.
God bless
Steven
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Abdelaleem
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Joined: 27 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: Re: clear away the 'out-dated image about Islam |
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| Steven3 wrote: |
But it should be a two-way street. Muslims have to also start clearing some of their ideas about the Bible.
For example one thing that muslims could learn is to please not exaggerate the small (microscopically small) differences in OT and NT manuscripts: |
Let us not talk about small differences.
| Steven3 wrote: | | Abdelaleem, in the Isaac or Ishmael thread wrote: | | What I can say is that the Quran is not changed since Mohamed get it from Allah. It’s as is and will be. This is not the case for OT and NT. |
This kind of comment doesn't help, because we the Quran has not been exposed to the same textual-critical methods as the OT and NT.
As I understand, the Uthman Qur'an in Tashkent is the oldest in the world, older than copies in Mecca.
Does it agree with copies in Mecca in every word? Then if it does you may have 100% consistency. But consistency is not the only criteria for textual-criticism. Other criteria would include dispersion or diversity of witness - areas where the NT particularly does very well.
I am not a muslim, so I would be allowed to examine the claims of the Quran by the same robust scientific methods that for the last 200 years have been applied to the OT and NT. I am allowed to read books like the following:
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The Uthman Quran is written in Mecca 630-640 AD . it’s the first , only one, and oldest. All copies after it are same copy letter by letter, there is no even single difference.
QURAN is ZERO DISCRPINCY |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| which automatically makes it reek of suspicion... |
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