APOSTASY

John R Nolan · Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: APOSTASY

APOSTASY
Apostasy: “abandonment of religious faith, vows, principles or party”
Gk. Aposta: to withdraw (Oxford dict.)

“But in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” Mat.15:9
“Ye worship ye know not what” Jn. 4:22
“And they worshipped the dragon who gave power unto the beast; and they worshipped the beast” Rev.13:4

God is talking about church people, not heathens, not those of the world, for they aren’t interested in worshipping anything other than their booze, horse racing, sport, sex; every form of perversity. They aren’t looking for nor are in any way interested in finding God and His salvation
Even the most religious people can be found to have missed the mark of the high calling, as demonstrated by the Pharisees and Sadducees of Jesus’ day on earth the last time
The Lord plainly told them Jn.8:44 “ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do”
There is little doubt many who make up the ‘laity’, in the religious community, are now living in an apostate condition, because they know not God and worship their church, their denomination “INSTEAD of the Son of God”
The last Biblical ‘church age’ for the Gentiles is the Laodicean age.
Laodicea means ‘to conquer the laity’ and exposes a gulf between those claiming to serve God; the priests, popes, bishops, general overseers and their victims, sincere people trapped in religious organizations
This is not necessarily because those claiming to follow or believe in the Christian faith have totally rejected it’s teachings, or are not sincere in their pursuit of a relationship with the God revealed through the Bible. The problem is that man has replaced God’s Word with Satanic interpretations, perversions, additions and subtractions instead of God’s Word, with the laity now being led, by their religions, their denominations, into APOSTASY
Over the papal throne are written the Latin words, “Invicarius Fillei Dei” which translates as “Instead of the Son of God” and adds to 666
The proliferation of Bible colleges, Bible study groups, along with Bible interpretations suitable for anybody, be they feminists, homosexuals, or new age radicals, only exacerbates the confusion and division within Christian ranks
This perversity is how the laity have been deceived on the Word and now worship the religious system, their church, instead of God; whilst others have given up their faith altogether, because of the hypocrisy, the confusion on the Word and the greed displayed by their religious leaders
Paul, who scribed two thirds of the New Testament was considered APOSTATE by the Pharisees and other religious leaders of his day, because he turned from the Jewish traditions and followed the revelation of Jesus Christ, God revealed through flesh.

The religious leaders of his day murdered Paul, calling him an heretic, an apostate, as they had with the Lord Jesus Christ, Peter, and all they could find who were following God’s continuing revelation of Himself, according to His WORD
The Roman Catholic denomination, in cahoots with the denomination of England murdered over 68,000,000 Christians during the dark ages, accusing them of apostasy because they refused to worship the pope as the head of the Church, instead of Christ, the Word
Today, unless one is a member of some denomination, one is considered either a heretic, a heathen or apostate and we will witness persecution unto death of those Christians who refuse to become a member of a denomination, which is to accept the mark of the Beast. (Accepting doctrines of man instead of God’s WORD)
It is known that members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Mormons, Roman Catholics, Baptists, and other such cults are subject to social vilification, persecution and rejection from their denomination, segregation by the members, if they identify the error of their cult’s teachings and move on, looking for truth
In his book, “JEHOVAH”, judge Rutherford, the second president of the J.W’s cult states, on page 320, “God provided that the death of Christ Jesus, His beloved son, should furnish the ransom or redemptive price for man but that good-ness and loving kindness toward mankind is secondary to the vindication of Jehovah’s name”
From “You Can Live Forever, etc”. P250/3 ‘However, more than faith is needed. There must also be works to demonstrate what your true feelings are about Jehovah’
Rom.4:6 “Even David also describeth the blessedness of the man to whom God imputeth righteousness WITHOUT WORKS”
Rom. 9:11, “NOT OF WORKS but of Him that calleth”
Rom 11:6…”And if by grace it is NO MORE OF WORKS otherwise grace is no more grace…”
Gal. 2:16… “Knowing that a man is NOT justified by the works of the law, but by the FAITH of Jesus Christ”
Eph.2: 8-9 “For by grace ye are saved through faith, and that not of
YOURSELVES, it is a gift of God – NOT OF WORKS lest any man should boast”

That should clarify this erroneous teaching
Christianity is the ONLY TRUE religion, not denominations of man.
What can be more relevant or important to Christians than the sacrifice paid, by God, through His Son, Jesus Christ, to redeem God’s children from sin?
The previous quotes from J.W. books demonstrate how far they, like all other denominations, are removed from God’s Word. There could be much more evidence provided, though you are encouraged to research information widely available in literature or over the ‘NET’, dealing with cults, to ascertain how perverse they are

How does one vindicate God’s name?
‘Vindicate’: “maintain the cause of successfully; establish the existence, merit or justice of one’s veracity, courage, conduct, character, assertion” Oxford dictionary
God vindicates Himself, His Word, (He is His Word, Jn.1:14,) through our very existence and everything that surrounds us
The universe, the galaxies, the fruit on the trees, flowers on a shrub, the entire creation of God’s is His vindication of Himself. LIFE is vindication of God, our ability to think, to believe, to laugh, vindicate God
God’s children, are manifest expressions of God’s LIFE, whilst the children of the Beast, Lucifer (Jn.8:44) are manifestations of Satan’s perverse life
Satan’s lie to Eve, that she would NOT DIE by partaking of his fruit, then her accepting his proposition instead of God’s Word, was the original act of APOSTASY
Remember, Satan’s perversions of God’s creation are NOT included in God’s program; Lucifer is not a creator he perverts that which is already created by God
Satan was permitted by God to pervert, through hybridisation, cross breeding, much of God’s original creation
It was Lucifer’s adding to God’s Word, hybridising IT in the beginning, which brought about the fall of the human species; Gen. 3:1- 4, culminating in the hybridising of the human race when Lucifer got his seed into our genetic line, through Eve 1 Jn 3:12 (note the serpent is Lucifer in physical form, Rev. 20:2)
Jehovah’s name, the name through which He reveals Himself to the Gentile world is Jesus Christ, Jn.5: 43; Jn17: 6; Acts 4:12; Eph.1:21; Col.2:9, 10; Rev.19:3 The name above all names, the name at which every knee shall bow, the Author and Finisher of our faith
The 7th Day Adventists have their concept of Saturday being the Lord’s day, though the Bible declares the saints gathered together on the first day of the week, Sunday; the Sabbath was only a law to the Jews
The Roman Catholic apostasies start with their Trinitarian doctrine, worship of Mary as an intercessor to God, instead of the Lord Jesus, false baptism, necromancy, the papacy, etc.
Necromancy: “Art of predicting by means of communicating with the dead; magic; enchantment” (Oxford dict.)
Why do they worship dead saints when Christians worship the LIVING God?
The Lord Jesus Christ is not dead; He is alive
Interestingly, the Bible speaks of saints as people who are alive and actively worshipping God. “The saints at Epehesus, Pergamos, Thyatira,” etc., nowhere is Mary put forward as an object of worship nor an intercessor
The Baptists teach you receive the Holy Spirit when you believe and are baptized; “Have you received the gift of the Holy Spirit SINCE you believed?” Acts 19:2
These are exposures of apostasy within each of these religions and there are plenty more

It is not our desire to single out any individual religion, as all denominations have, in varying ways, altered the Word of God, to suit their creeds and dogmas
There is no longer any denomination who have not gone into apostasy, all have rejected the Word of God
Their religious leaders have privately interpreted God’s Word and put It to an open shame, contrary to 2 Pet.1:20 and by perversion of Truth, have deceived their congregations as they fulfil Mat. 7:13 -23
We do not suggest there are not sincere Christians amongst every denomination, but the organizations, the hierarchical structures, expose them as man controlled religions, and not the CHURCH of God, for which He died
That’s why Jesus, the LORD, cries in Rev.18:4, “Come out of her my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye be not partakers of her plagues”
‘Her’ is the great *One Who Practices the World's Oldest Profession* who sits on 7 hills in Rome, the Vatican, and her harlot daughters Rev. 17:9-18
Churches are typed as feminine in Scripture
All denominations are descendants of the great *One Who Practices the World's Oldest Profession*; all are breakaways from the Vatican who is the mother of them all
In no way is it implied that Martin Luther, John Wesley etc. were not men used mightily by God. They were the messengers for their respective ages, see Rev.2:1-19 but, we find, when they died, men organized their teachings, refused any further LIGHT and produced a denomination.
Pentecost did the same, and pursued ‘gifts’ instead of the Giver
This process killed any progress and Pentecostal churches died in un-belief, as the predecessors, God moved on
There are now many new, up-dated, super intellectual interpretations of the first English Bible, the King James translation. There is the R.V., the N.I.V., Good News, the New World translation, etc., etc., the list goes on; where is their vindication?
It is important the reader clearly understand that publishing house who produce the many different interpretations of the Bible are business houses
They are not necessarily Christian owned, nor controlled, and the sole, (not soul) purpose of their business is to make as much money as possible
Reference to “SEAL of GOD” by F.C. Payne or the works on Bible Mathematics by Panin will provide irrefutable evidence to support the K.J.V. as the only GOD INSPIRED translation of Scripture
Publishing houses are only too happy to find new interpretations of the Scripture, no matter how accurate or erroneous they may be, as long as they can market them for bulk profits

Un-believers claim that, because man, who is fallible, has been in control of interpreting and printing the Bible, there are bound to be mistakes in It
This is a reasonable concept, though we need remember, God, Who chose to reveal Himself to the world He created, is capable of controlling the actions of people He uses to manifest or fulfil His requirements, note Pharaoh, Judas, Saul of Tarsus, God makes people do what He purposes, irrespective of their desires

God created the universes out of nothing, maintains the order in the movements of planets, suns, moon, tides, etc., and surely is able to determine how any individual He chooses to use, as a scribe, will operate, otherwise He would seem powerless
If the original interpretation of the King James Bible is faulty, inaccurate or misleading, then God has proven Himself to be un-trustworthy and incompetent. All those Christians from 1611 on up to this time, who have accepted the K.J.V as God’s inspired Word are hopelessly lost and deceived
APOSTASY
When we critically examine the doctrines of denominations, we find each of them have, in one way or another, altered, perverted, added to or removed words from the original Word of God
“Ah Ha” you say, “the Bible has been interpreted by many men over the last 6,000 years, how do we know It is right?”
This is a good question and one we address happily
Firstly, can the accuser provide one shred of archaeological evidence which denies any of the Scriptural locations of cities, towns etc. in the time It was written?
It is time Christians stood up for God’s Word and put the onus of proof back on the accusers, challenge the scoffers to demonstrate, PROVE irrevocably any place where the K.J.V. is wrong. Stop letting the children of the devil run you around; we have nothing to prove, God has already proven, perfectly vindicated everything He has told us in His Word
Ask the critic to produce any evidence that the Bible contradicts Itself in any place
Challenge the children of the devil to prove the Word of God is inaccurate or erroneous in any prophecy?
Surely, if this book was incorrect, in any area, It’s fallacies should have been exposed by now, in this last age where the pursuit of knowledge is paramount
We cannot suspect the Creator of the heavens and the earth would make such a fundamental error as to have His manual for humans to be erroneous
A God that can coordinate the universes, cause every star, every sun, every planet to rotate at precisely the correct speed, in it’s perfect orbit, without variation for possibly trillions of years, could NOT make such a thoughtless and incomprehensible mistake in forward planning
We are studying the Word of God, the Creator who directs every animal to reproduce according to it’s kind, every shell to duplicate it’s genre and we need recognize we are dealing with a God, a creator beyond the facets of our human minds to comprehend outside the perspectives He allows us to digest
He set a law, that each specie should bring forth according to it’s kind, and that law worked perfectly until man, an hybrid species due to the fall, began playing around with hybridization, genetic engineering and such perversity
Which theologists, scientists, archaeologists; atheists, agnostics, scholars or other experts have been able to disprove any Scripture?
What mathematician has been able to fault the incomprehensible mathematical values of every verse, every sentence and paragraph in the Bible?

God’s mathematics as explained by F.C. Payne in his work “SEAL of GOD” Aldis printing, South Australia 1972 p 102 © 1946 unfolds this phenomenal vindication GOD uses to authenticate His Word

“I would like to take one portion from the Old Testament. Those vital opening words of Genesis 1:1 ’In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth’ the very foundation of God’s Word
If God were going to Seal any words, surely He would seal these, and seal them He has
The verse consists of exactly seven Hebrew words
These seven words have exactly 28 letters 4X7
there are three nouns, God, heaven earth, their total numeric
value is 777, 111X7
There is one Hebrew word CREATED, its numeric value 203, 29X7
The first three Hebrew words contain the subject,
they have exactly 14 letters 2X7
The other four contain the object with 14 letters 2X7
The fourth and fifth words have exactly seven letters 7
The fifth and sixth words have exactly 7 letters 7
The Hebrew words for the two objects “the heaven and
the earth each have exactly 7 letters 7
The value of the first middle and last letters in the verb
‘created’ 133 19X7

The numeric value of the first and last letters of the whole
7 words is 1393 199X7
The value of the first and last letters of the verse is 497 71X7
So the values of each of the words between is 896 128X7
The Hebrew article ’ETH’ with the article ‘the’ used twice 406 58X7
The last letters of the first and last words 490 7 #alien

7

As we see how the seven Hebrew words are so marvellously chosen and arranged by God that the number 7 is literally woven into them in every conceivable way, we are still only seeing but a glimpse of what is hidden within these words.
It has been found that there are over thirty different numeric features in this verse and calculated that the chance of coincidence accounting for the above 16 is one in thirty three trillion odd.” (end of quote)
If you also add up the previous totals they come to 4,872, divided by 7= 696 which adds numerically to THREE, another of God’s prime numbers
This book is a valuable resource, which further vindicates God’s existence, in spite of man’s desires to disprove His Word and can be sourced through the internet
Excuse this brief mathematical excursion, but we are looking at APOSTASY, and demonstrating the reasons for our dogmatic attitude over the abundance of evidence supporting God’s veracity, which causes us to ponder why all denominations have chosen to alter, add to, detract from or otherwise interpret His Word when He expressly forbids such in 2 Pet. 1:20
APOSTASY is the abandonment of religious vows, etc.
We suggest ‘religious’ vows are the cause of all denominational troubles as their founders have each rejected, denied, added to or personally interpreted God’s Word to suit their man made doctrines
It has been stated by mathematics experts, that our most advanced computers would take years to write the first page of Genesis because of It’s mathematical layout
There is no end of critics about the Bible’s authenticity, but where is their EVIDENCE, not theories and suppositions, to support their claims that the Bible is not the inspired Word of God
Can any critic show and prove where It has ever been wrong?
Surely, certain of the old English words have taken on different meanings, an example being that “in the Lord’s house there are many mansions”
This suggests the Lord must have a very big house, but, in the English of that time, 1611, a house was a family genealogy, the hereditary line, not a building of bricks and mortar. E.G. the house of Tudor, the house of Kent, the house of Windsor, etc
You say the Bible contradicts Itself
The references to water baptism are quoted by many as evidence of contradiction, but, when comparing Mat. 28:19 with Peter’s teaching in Acts 2:38, we see Peter’s explanation REVEALS what Mat.28:19 means and puts the issue to rest
That’s really tricky isn’t it? It doesn’t even need a revelation; it is just simple English explanation of the Lord’s parable, leaving no confusion or contention
Possibly flaws can be found in other Bible interpretations, other, contemporary versions, but no one has been able to fault the King James version for over 395 years, so unless you can produce such evidence, we suggest you reconsider, reassess your attitude and Scriptural position
As we saw previously, in the example of supposed Bible contradiction, Peter is explaining to the believers that the name of the LORD God, in this dispensation, is the Name above all Names, the Name at which every knee shall bow, the Lord Jesus Christ
Father is not a name, it is a title, son is not a name, it is a title, the Holy Spirit is not a name, it is a description of the character of God, Jesus is the only name applied, Jesus the Christ, the anointed One
We have over two thousand denominations, all claiming to be Christian, to be teaching pure doctrine, ‘Speaking where the Bible speaks and being silent where It is silent’
This is a beaut line and will impress the novices, the ignorant and unlearned, but it will no longer deceive those who have a personal revelation of Jesus Christ, the WORD, Who He is and what He is doing in this day

APOSTASY

Remember, our use of various denominational doctrines as examples of apostasy do not suggest there are not sincere, God loving and seeking Christians trapped in the ranks of these religious groups

These studies may be a means to help individuals reassess what they believe, check their beliefs against God’s REVEALED WORD FOR THIS DAY, and hopefully help them escape the mark of the Beast, which is accepting man’s doctrines instead of God’s Word
Those who do so are calling God a liar, by rejecting His ever progressing REVELATION of Himself, and, through FEAR of man, of social rejection, of persecution, especially now, as we approach the end of this COSMOS, refuse to “COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE AND BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS”
This is to only WAY to avoid APOSTASY
AMEN

bitterlily · Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: Re: APOSTASY

MoJo · Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:10 am Post subject:

2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

merchandise

Eze 17:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; A great eagle with great wings, longwinged, full of feathers, which had divers colours, came unto Lebanon, and took the highest branch of the cedar:

Eze 17:4 He cropped off the top of his young twigs, and carried it into a land of traffick; he set it in a city of merchants.

Isa 23:8 ¶ Who hath taken this counsel against Tyre, the crowning [city], whose merchants [are] princes, whose traffickers [are] the honourable of the earth?
Isa 23:9 The LORD of hosts hath purposed it, to stain the pride of all glory, [and] to bring into contempt all the honourable of the earth.

Isa 23:11 He stretched out his hand over the sea, he shook the kingdoms: the LORD hath given a commandment against the merchant [city], to destroy the strong holds thereof.

Zep 1:11 Howl, ye inhabitants of Maktesh, for all the merchant people are cut down; all they that bear silver are cut off.

Zep 2:5 Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast, the nation of the Cherethites! the word of the LORD [is] against you; O Canaan, the land of the Philistines, I will even destroy thee, that there shall be no inhabitant.

Canaan;

Strongs;

3) merchant, trader

Very Happy

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matt 6: 34 "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

bitterlily · Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:30 am Post subject:

MoJo · Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:56 am Post subject:

Hi lily (I'm going to call you lily to save my fingers) This subject is probably better if we move it to the Revelation
forum.

There's a fair amount said about Tyre and her merchants. Just connecting the idea about the merchandising of souls. Is there a connection between Tyre and the mark of the beast?

Very Happy

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matt 6: 34 "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

bitterlily · Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject:

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

rev18: 1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

9And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

10Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

12The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

13And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

matt25:
1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

2And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

3They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

4But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

5While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

6And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

7Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

8And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

9But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

10And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

11Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

12But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

John R Nolan · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: APOSTASY

Thank you for your thoughts, Bitter Lily, it's good that you found some stimulation from that study.
Physical financial transactions are not the point of the topic, but the way man has sold out GOD'S WORD for money, pharasitical self aggrandisment, big marble decked mauspoleums, huge payrolls, gigantic bank accounts, instead of the simplicity and humility the Lord Jesus displayed and preached.
The apostasy is in the replacement of the WORD with dogma, doctrines and personal interpretations of man.
We have over 20,000 'Christian' denominations, all claiming to have the truth, yet they spend more time trying to prove each other wrong, to glorify themselves, than subjugating their religious egos to the Word.
Surely we are witnessing the rapid centralization of the world economic system, as we are watching America subjugate the world to her form of "DEMOCRACY"
What most commentators fail to observe is that America, since her Spiritual freedom was sold out by J.F.K. to the papacy, has become nothing more than the world police force, under the control of the vatican.
Time magazine ran a series of thought provoking articles on this during the Gulf war.
Here we found George Bush, sen., Boris Yeltsin and Michal Gorbachov continuously in contact with the vatican, the pope; no doubt getting instructions on what they were to do.
Yes, there is a rapid move toward economic slavery as the CASH economy is replaced with plastic, and, then, of course, if a citizen refuses to become a member of a denominational system, they will be unable to buy or sell.
The mark of the beast is accepting man's words INSTEAD of GOD'S.
This was first done in the Garden of Eden, when Lucifer, through the beast,(and they are one, Rev.20:2,) changed GOD'S Word into his lie, deceiving the woman, (which is why she is forbidden to handle GOD'S Word) and plunging the world into death.
It has been repeated in this last age when the religious leaders of the world, the mother *One Who Practices the World's Oldest Profession* and her harlot daughters, have again changed GOD'S Word, replacing IT with the creeds and dogma which suit their demonic purposes. Rev.22:18-19
This is the apostasy, and, Lily is why our planet is about to burn.
Keep your eyes on CHRIST, and He IS the WORD, nothing else.