The "first of all the commandments"

sandra3102 · Kitten Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 138

I noticed our pastors missed the "first of all the commandments" that our Lord told a humble Scribe in:

Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

May I know how we can OBEY this "commandment?"
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Roger459 · Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:39 am Post subject: YES YOU CAN !

(Matthew 22:37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

(Mark 12:30) And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

(Luke 10:27) And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

There is Free Bible Software here " www.e-sword.net " and you can download it to your Computer, Free!

After the download, and the extra's you can do a word search for yourself and see what you can find? Remembe Bible Software is only a tool.

Before that I would suggest that you read Jeremiah 29:13 and Isaiah 55:6-to-11 and 1Samule 3:21 = and see What GOD SAYS?

IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW = GOD WILL SHOW YOU!

Oh yes, there are Verses like Luke 6:64 and John 15:10 and 1John 3:23 and many others! DO NOT BE IN A RUSH! God will reveal His Word and His Will and His Commandments = to the Real Seeker of Truth!

ONE last selection:

(Hebrews 10:14-to-18) For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
(Heb 10:15) Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
(Heb 10:16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, = saith the Lord, = I will put my laws into their hearts, = and in their minds will I write them;
(Heb 10:17) = And their sins and iniquities = will I remember no more.
(Heb 10:18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Thanks, RR

FFT

sandra3102 · Kitten Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 138

Yes, these are the verses that are related to my question:

Mar 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Mar 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Mar 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
Mar 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

This Scribe must be humble unlike othe Scribes. It seems that he was mystified by what He heard from our Lord. He is supposed to be knowledgeable of the Law or word of God. I feel that in asking our Lord he was really after the truth, unlike others who only wanted our Lord to trick and catch Him from His words.

I am now looking at the significance of the following in Mark 12:29:

1. What commandment does our Lord mean by the FIRST, after citing the commandment on "love of God?"

2. "Hear" - does not this have a deeper meaning than what we usually know?

3. Which or what does "Israel" mean?

4. Could this "first of all the commandment" be considered a prerequisite to "loving God" and then "love of neighbor?"
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Roger459

THE FIRST COMMANDMENT…

STARTING A PORTFOLIO = WITH GOD! [You must = keep track of these Truths = or else Matthew 13:19 – WILL TAKE PLACE!]

IN MY FIRST RESPONSE to you, I suggested that you download the Free Bible Software from www.e-sword.net . Have you done so?

IT will be a Tool = for you to use = to open the HOLY SCRIPTURES! Also most important is 2Chronicles 12:14. Please see that verse and do what it says to do = before ANY STUDY IN THE WORD!

THE KEY TO LOVE:

(Philippians 1:9) And this I pray, that your LOVE [Agape] [Romans 5:5] = = may abound yet more and more = = in knowledge = =and= = in all judgment;

GOD used men to write the Holy Scriptures, [ 2Peter 1:19-to-21 ]. From Genesis to Revelation we have the Record of God and how He has interacted with Mankind!

GOD WILL NOT = reveal Himself to those that are simply wanting to know about GOD, without being willing = TO OBEY HIM [1Samuel 15:22 & Jeremiah 29:13].

TODAY, many are “Taught ANSWERS” especially in our current educational system! Pastors most of the time = do not teach people to find = The Answers from GOD – by themselves! Most People = Only Want Answers!

(2Timothy 2:15) Study = = to shew thyself approved unto God, = = a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, = = rightly dividing The Word of Truth.

TO LOVE GOD, entails more than just a Mental Assent [2Corinthians 10:3-to-6] = = to the GODHEAD,
But as stated in Phil 1:9
= = That your LOVE = may abound More and More [The First Part]
= = in Knowledge [The Second Part]
= = and in All Judgment [The Third Part].

SO YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW TO LOVE GOD?

= = VERY SIMPLE = =

TO KNOW HIM - - IS TO LOVE HIM!

The LOVE comes from the Holy Spirit! Did you look up the verse ROMANS 5:5 that I placed in the TEXT? IF NOT = WHY NOT?

== IN KNOWLEDGE = That Word can also be translated Full or Mature Knowledge! PERHAPS you could see = Romans 10:17 is the KEY!

= = And in All Judgement = = That Word can also be translated Spiritual Discernment : Please see = Hebrews 5:12-13-1

Question 2: HEAR = = Perhaps you could read, Luke 19:1-to-10? The hearing led to Action = Action that was based on the Word of God, Luke 19:8! That too was a sign of Acts 17:30-31 with is True Biblical Repentance! BELIEF = WITHOUT REPENTANCE = IS NOT REALLY BELIEF = BUT ONLY WORDS [James 1:22]

Question 3: ISRAEL = Please see Galatians 6:16 & Romans 9:6-7-8!

Question 4: YOU ANSWERED YOUR OWN QUESTION!

LAST POINT:

(2Timothy 3:15-16-17) And that from a child thou = hast known The Holy Scriptures, = which are able to make thee wise unto salvation = through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

(2Ti 3:16) All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, = and is profitable = = for doctrine, = = for reproof, = = for correction, = = for instruction in righteousness:

(2Ti 3:17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Thanks, RR

FFT · Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:32 pm Post subject:

Roger459

YOUR QUOTE:

You are reading too much into the way it is written and not paying attention to what it's actually saying.

DO YOU KNOW SANDRA 3102? NOT!

DO YOU KNOW IF SHE IS = = REALLY SEARCHING FOR DEEPER TRUTH THAN JUST A CASUAL READING OF THE WORD? NOT!

DON'T YOU HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO = THAN SAY THINGS LIKE THIS? "You are reading too much into the way it is written and not paying attention to what it's actually saying."

DO YOU KNOW HER HEART AND CAN YOU READ HER INNERMOST THOUGHTS? NOT!

FYI = there was a preacher in Swizterland, who preached from the Book of Isaiah = for 40 years, and never finished !

Thanks, RR

FFT · Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject:

Look at her questions. Each of them is answered easily enough by looking at the text, and shows that she's trying to find extra meaning where there really is none.

"1. What commandment does our Lord mean by the FIRST, after citing the commandment on 'love of God?'" He says it twice! Before and after the first commandment! What do you think he means?

"'Hear' - does not this have a deeper meaning than what we usually know?" He's just talking collectively.

"3. Which or what does 'Israel' mean?" The one he's talking to!

4. Could this 'first of all the commandment' be considered a prerequisite to 'loving God' and then 'love of neighbor?'" No! The first commandment is love God!

She's plainly trying to add meaning to the text. Which the text, by the way, forbids.
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sandra3102 · Kitten Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 138

The "first of all the commandments" is to be able to IDENTIFY GOD! For how could we love Him if He remains a mystery.

I am like the Samaritan woman by the well of Jacob with “several husbands.” How joyful indeed to share finding the Lord Jesus. I found HIM!

Ever since, the relationship of the Father and the Son Jesus Christ, has been my question. I read verses indicating Jesus Christ is God so is the Father, and the TRUTH that there is only One God.

I don't know whether it is God's "deed of circumstance." My friend bought a book and according to him he was attracted to its attractive cover. On going over it, according to him it is too repulsive short of throwing it away. So he thought of giving it to me.

"Wonder of wonders!" In Chapter 5 and 6, my many questions about God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Ghost, the false Christ, have all been answered. My doubts were cleared. I am recommending this book to whoever wants to go deeper in identifying God. It is CHRISTIANITY: YESTERDAY AND TODAY (The discord among sects) - ISBN: 1589612833. It exposes condemned religious traditions unwittingly being followed.

It is worth looking at this wonderful book.
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Roger459 · Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:29 am Post subject: GOOD ANSWER!

Sandra,

Good Morning! And a good posting with that book. As I was thinking about your testimony and your post, this verse came into my mind. I often use it for those, who want to go on with Christ in obedience to His Word. It is a most powerfull verse for the conflict that occurs, when one wants to follow, 2Corinthians 10:3-to-6

(Hebrews 9:14) How much more shall = The Blood of Christ, = Who through The Eternal Spirit = offered Himself = without spot to God, = purge your conscience from dead works = to serve The Living God?

(Revelation 12:11) And they overcame him [satan] = =by The Blood of the Lamb, = = and by the word of their testimony; = = and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Thanks, Roger

sandra3102 · Kitten Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 138

If we will carefully examine the following verses, God will give us a message never before had been heard. Example:

1. Why did our Lord use the word "FIRST? It is a COMMAND! And then, He said "HEAR." "O ISRAEL, the LORD our GOD is ONE LORD."

Clearly "FIRST' indicates a prerequsite/requisite for the succeeding commandment.

Why did our Lord emphasize "HEAR?" Do we really listen to what He wants us to KNOW as the FIRST commandment, a PREREQUISITE to the next commandment?

"O ISRAEL" at first glance seems to refer to the physical descendants of Jacob. We all know the Jews did "not listen" to our Lord. They hated Him and later crucified Him on the cross. Therefore "ISRAEL" has to be looked up as referring the CHOSEN FEW of God who LISTEN to His voice.

"The LORD our God is ONE LORD" - does not this clearly refer to the clear IDENTIFICATION of the "Lord our God is ONE LORD?"

Who is the LORD and the GOD in the following?

1 Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Psa 144:15 Happy is that people, that is in such a case: yea, happy is that people, whose God is the LORD.

Look at this:

Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

You will be surprised to "see" WHO "The LORD our GOD IS ONE LORD" in Chapter 5 of the book:

CHRISTIANITY: Yesterday and today
(The Discord Among Christian Sects)
(ISBN: 1589612833)

Clearly therefore, THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS, is to KNOW FIRST the IDENTITY of GOD/LORD that we profess to love.

Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

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Roger459 · Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:14 am Post subject:

*** (Luke 6:46) And why call ye Me [JESUS],= = Lord [BOSS], = = Lord, [MASTER] = = and do not = = the things = = which I [JESUS] say?

***(Romans 13:9-10) For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
(Rom 13:10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

***(Galatians 2:16) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

***(Hebrews 10:38-39) Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
(Heb 10:39) But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

IT is surely Evident = that one that does not know = Christ Jesus = as Savior and Lord, and does not have the Holy Spirit = indwelling that person = = Cannot Keep any of the Law = Nor Know God = Nor Love God!

FFT · Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:51 am Post subject:

sandra3102 · Kitten Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 138

God’s way is contrasted to man’s approach of taking the context of the story or verses in the Holy Bible:

Isa 28:10 KJV “For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little.”

Clearly, we don’t have to read the whole verse after God answers our question with the “line.” And since God is speaking in parables (Ezek.20:49), as Jesus Christ does (Psa. 78:2), let alone God through His word answer questions pertaining to Him and His words.

1. Our first question: Lord, we believe there is only ONE GOD. Who is He?

1 Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things…”

2. Father God, how did Simon Peter recognize JESUS?

Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

3. Father God, why does it need your revelation just to declare, “Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God?” As if God asks this question: “What do you mean by CHRIST?” We say: “Messiah, Redeemer, or Savior.”

4. As if Father God asks: “Would you believe that I, the Father God (Isa. 64:8), revealed the following to Isaiah?”

Isa 43:11 “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.”

5. We ask, “Father God how could you be the only savior when it is written JESUS CHRIST is our savior who died on the cross?”

[It is here Jesus told Simon Peter that it needs the “revelation of the Father” to recognize Him, and His identification “should never come from flesh and blood.”]

6. Father God, please enlighten us to this “mystery” surrounding your identity and that of our Lord Jesus Christ. Will you please give us an overview of your plan for salvation? We heard it is very simple, but there are some “dark points” that need to be clarified.

7. As if Father God asks : “Would you believe that this covenant or testament I made with Abraham and his seeds is my plan for salvation, the fact that I made them my chosen people?”

Gen 17:7 “And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.”

8. Father God, we believe that is your plan for salvation. But how could we be included in your covenant when we belong to other nationalities, not having even a drop of blood of Abraham?

Gal 3:28 “ There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free… for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

9. As if Father God asks: “Do you belong to Christ?”

We reply, “Lord, we hear people believing in the Holy Bible all claiming to belong to Christ.”

But Jesus Christ retorts:

Mat 22:14 “For many are called, but few are chsoen.”

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

10. It is written people who saw and heard Jesus Christ had different recognition of Him:

Mat 16:13 “When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.”

We realize that people professing to belong to Jesus Christ have different recognition of Him also like the people at Caesarea Philippi:

Some say, “Jesus is only a man and not God,” and the derivative, “Jesus is only a minor or Mighty God for there is a supreme or Almighty God.”
Others say, “Jesus is the Father and is the Holy Spirit,” and the derivative, “Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit is only a force of God.”
Many say, “Jesus is both God and man, and He is the 2 nd person of the Holy Trinity.”

11. Thus, the need to realize clear recognition of Jesus should come “by the revelation of the Father” and not just with “flesh and blood.”

Joh 8:19 “…Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.”

12. Now it appears in the eyes of God that it is not really easy to belong to Christ. Only a few and not many in truth belong to Him. After God revealed in Gal. 3:28-29 that only those BELONGING TO CHRIST are the “seeds of Abraham and heirs according to the promise,” now the more we would like TO KNOW who Jesus really is.

13. Father God, how do you fulfill your covenant or testament with Abraham and his seeds?

Heb 9:16 “For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.”

14. Father God, how could you fulfill your testament with death when you are a SPIRIT? As if Father God responding: “Would you believe if I say nothing is impossible with me?” Our reply, Lord nothing is impossible with you, and we believe.

1 Tim 3:16 KJV “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit…”

15. Father God, are you referring now to our Lord Jesus Christ?

Phi 2:6 “Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”

16. As if Father God asks, “Would you believe me if I tell you?”

Isa 43:11 “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.”

Father God continuing, “ And this truth is revealed to Luke regarding the identity of Jesus?”

Luke 1:46 “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Luke 2:11 “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.”

Now Jesus claiming:

John 10:30 “I and my Father are one.”

17. Father God, are you pointing out that you are Jesus Christ in the flesh?

1 John 3:16 KJV “Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us…”

1 John 5:20 “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”

18. Lord Jesus, what if we doubt or do not believe that you are the Father in the flesh?

John 8:24 KJV “ I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he , ye shall die in your sins.”

19. Father God, are you confirming what our Lord Jesus is saying about YOU? Further, have you revealed your name already in the Old Testament?

Isa 52:6 “Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.”

20. Father God, we know that in a testament the maker or testator is giving an inheritance. What is the inheritance you are giving to the beneficiaries?

Eze 44:28 “And it shall be unto them for an inheritance: I am their inheritance…”

Psa 16:5 “ The LORD is the portion of mine inheritance and …”

21. Father God, who are the beneficiaries to your promised inheritance?

Eze 44:15 “…the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary…”

22. Father God, how do we receive the inheritance like the priests?

1 Pet 2:9 But ye are… a royal priesthood… a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.”

23. Lord Jesus, would you confirm what Peter wrote about us that your chosen are the priests?

Rev 1:6 “And hath made us… priests unto God… to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

24. Father God, if you promised yourself as inheritance of the chosen, how would they receive you when you are a frightening God?

Exo 20:18 “And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off. 19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.”

25. As if Father God asks the chosen, “When I make a plan, do I not see to it that it could be done? Look! I promised myself as your inheritance. Whom did my chosen receive after I died in my human manifestation?”

John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Act 2:1 “And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost…”

[Our possible reply: Father God, now we realize that you took the characteristics of a dove for you to be acceptable to the beneficiaries.]

26. Father God, we have many questions regarding your relationship with your Son Jesus Christ. In our perception you sent Him because He has been saying this many times.

John 5:37 “And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me.”

John 8:18 “I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.”

a. Father God, how could you be one and the same with Jesus when He is your “begotten Son” as in:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

b. Father God, what more Jesus humbled Himself and only received power from you:

Joh 5:19 “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

c. Father God, more so when Jesus Christ told Magdalene that you are His God and Father:

Joh 20:16 “Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. 17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”

d. Father God, Jesus Christ was even imploring your help:

Mat 27:46 “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

27. As if Father God retorts: “Did not Simon Peter call Jesus ‘Son of the living God’ with my revelation (Matt. 16:16 )? While Peter recognized Jesus as ‘I am,’ yet at the same time calling Him ‘Son.’ Am I not also calling the chosen ‘My sons? (John 1:12 )’ Who can show them the Way (John 14:6) if I will not ‘manifest myself in the flesh?’ How can they attain spiritual perfection without somebody showing them the example (1 Pet. 2:21 )?”

The verses:

Mat 16:16 “And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Joh 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

1 Pet 2:21 “For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps.”

28. As if God is saying, “Who among the people I created be a model to my chosen? Noah? Abraham? Moses? Virgin Mary? Peter? Paul? Have you heard me say the following?”

Eccl 7:20 “ For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.”

Isa 64:6 “But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags…”

Rom 3:10 “…There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Is it impossible for me to do two roles?

29. Father God, how could you be Jesus and the Holy Spirit when it is very clear to us what happened in the following? Jesus was in the water. The Holy Spirit in the form of a dove was visibly seen “lighting upon Jesus.” And you called Jesus, “My beloved Son.”

Mat 3:16 “And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him. 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

As if Father God is saying, “Did I not say when Peter recognized Jesus; it was with my divine revelation? Can human capability with the use of the senses comprehend all these great mysteries about Me? No wonder I make a distinction between a Natural Man and Spiritual Man:”

1 Cor 2:14 “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually (not intellectually, not of the senses, not emotionally) discerned.”

1 Cor 2:15 “But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.”

30. Father God, if you are Jesus Christ in the flesh, what is this that we are reading regarding your and His position?

Act 7:56 “And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.”

Mar 16:19 “ So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”

As if God retorts, “Don’t you know that I speak in parables (Ezek. 20:49 ) as Jesus was prophesied to speak dark sayings of old (Psa. 78:2)?”

Eze 20:49 “Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?”

Psa 78:2 “I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old.”

31. Father God, then what do you mean by “your right hand?”

Exo 15:6 “Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.”

Luk 22:69 “Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.”

32. Lord God, we glorify you through your words for now the following is made very clear to us:

Col 2:9 “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”

Isa 9:6 “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father…”

33. Father God, we read that you gave the following as your name. What is the name of GOD then?

Exo 6:3 “And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.”

Psa 83:18 “That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.”

34. As if Father God is saying, “Have you read that I have not yet revealed my name in the Old Testament”?

Isa 52:6 “Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.”

35. Father God, then who gave the name “JEHOVAH” to you? (Note: It is not God but men that originated the following names.)

“Jehovah”

In the Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. 7, p. 88 is this: "The reading Jehovah is a comparatively recent invention. Jehovah is generally held to have been the invention of Pope Leo the 10th's Confessor, Peter Galatin (De Arcanis Catholic Veritates 1518, Folio XLIII), who was followed in the use of this hybrid form by Fagius Drusius. Van de Driesche, who lived between 1550 and 1616, was the first to ascribe to Peter Galatin the use of Jehovah, and this view has been taken since his day."

“ Yahweh ”

The Samaritan pronunciation Jabe approaches the real sound of the Divine name. The other early writers transmit only abbreviations or corruptions of the sacred name. Inserting the vowels of Jabe into the original Hebrew consonant text, we obtain the form Jahveh (Yahweh), which has been generally accepted by modern scholars as the true pronunciation of the Divine name. It is not merely closely connected with the pronunciation of the ancient synagogue by means of the Samaritan tradition, but it also allows the legitimate derivation of all the abbreviations of the sacred name in the Old Testament.

(Note: The King James Version of the Holy Bible, published in 1611, thus adopted the name Jehovah.)

36. Our God, if you are the Father, Jesus Christ your Son, and the Holy Spirit, then what is your NAME? As if Jesus Christ is asking, “Have you heard my command in the following?”

Mat 28:19 “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”

a. As if Jesus Christ is saying, “You compare how Simon Peter executed my command with ‘professing apostles of mine’ who do not even know me.”

Simon Peter:

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

b. Professing apostles of mine:

(Stating the name of the imaginary convert) “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”

c. As if Jesus Christ further says, “Look! Because they really do not know me, these ‘professing apostles of mine’ only repeat and do not execute my command. Also be careful with impostors professing to have recognized me like Simon Peter but it is not by divine revelation.”

37. Lord Jesus, do all people professing you are the Father and the Holy Spirit truly recognize you?

a. Apostle John wrote:

Rev 13:11 “And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.”

b. As if Jesus Christ is saying, “Coming up out of the earth” means recognition of me is but the fruit of human wisdom where ‘earth’ symbolizes man in Jer. 22:29. Satan, a powerful being, can make himself look like me. But I can be distinguished by my ‘voice.’ Satan cannot imitate my voice.”

c. As if Jesus Christ is saying, “In my FASTING, the ‘voice’ of the Dragon is revealed!”

Mat 4:1 “Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.”

d. Many people following the “letter” of the word, seeing the empty stomach of our Lord, imitate our Lord by forgoing meals or not eating several days. Do they realize that this is precisely what Satan, also known as the Dragon, saw in our Lord? Satan told our Lord to turn the stones into bread for Him to satisfy His physical hunger:

Mat 4:3 “And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.”

[To God, the “letter” or the LITERAL word does not yet present the truth. That is why it is written in 2 Cor. 3:6 “the letter killeth.” It is the “spirit of the word” that gives life and this refers to the SPIRITUAL MEANING as explain by our Lord by “demonstration.” In His fasting, Jesus emphasized hunger for the word, more than hunger for literal bread.]

Mat 4:4 “But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”

e. God confirmed this in the following:

Jer 15:16 “Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart…”

f. How many people realized the following in relation to hunger?

Amo 8:11 “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: 12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.”

38. How many people recognize the voice of the Lamb? Do we really hear the “spiritual message of the word” today? God further expounds the meaning of fasting in the following:

Isa 58:6 “ Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free (John 8:32 ), and that ye break every yoke? 7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor (Matt. 5:3) that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him (Isa. 61:10)…”

39. The spiritual message of FASTING is to hunger for the TRUTH in the word. This is where we pray, “Give us this day our daily bread.” God is liberal enough to supply our “spiritual food” and expects us:

a) To share it to “the oppressed or in bondage to go free.”

Joh 8:32 “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

b) To share our “spiritual bread” to the hungry:

Mat 25:35 “For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat.”

c) Pity the “poor in spirit” who are not yet in the household of God:

Mat 5:3 “ Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”

Eph 2:19 “Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God.”

d) To clothe the “naked” with literal clothes, pants?

Isa 61:10 “I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation…”

40. How clear is the distinct “lingo” of the Lamb that the chosen will not follow a “stranger.” Jesus Christ spoke to His Disciples:

John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 4 … he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.”

41. Lord Jesus, we hear people believing in the Holy Bible all are waiting for your SECOND COMING. But we read your promise in the following:

Mat 28:20 “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”

42. Lord Jesus, we cannot understand how you have fulfilled your commitment of being with your Disciples till the end of the word. Your Disciples saw you going up to heaven:

Act 1:9 “And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”

43. As if Jesus Christ is saying, “ Truly, my words are full of contradictions if you will try to understand them with your personal perception. Did I not say that the Natural Man cannot understand spiritual things for they can only be spiritually and never intellectually nor perceived by the senses? Did you not have the same predicament at my baptism? No wonder divine knowledge and wisdom is not endowed the wise and the prudent but unto the babes.”

Mat 11:25 “At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.”

Isa 28:9 KJV only “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.”

44. As if God is asking, “Would you believe me if I tell you the following?”

2 Cor 3:17 “Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.”

a. God, who is the only Lord?

1 Cor 8:6 “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”

Zec 13:9 “…I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Psa 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.

b. God, who is the Spirit?

John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

c. God, what do you mean by “liberty?” (Note: Just as “truth shall set free a person in spiritual bondage; human precepts, religious traditions, human wisdom are enslaving the people.)

Psa 119:45 “And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.”

Gal 5:1 “Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.”

45. Lord Jesus, do you mean you are the Holy Spirit who is now dwelling in us?

1 Cor 3:16 “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God , and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”

1 Cor 6:19 “What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?”

46. Lord Jesus, does this mean that you have already come the SECOND TIME? (Note: Distinction should be made between 2 nd COMING ands 2 nd APPEARANCE.)

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith…, I am…, the truth …”

Heb 9:28 “So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time…”

47. God, now it is very clear that indeed you are the Creator expressed in your three manifestation which before we mistakenly thought to be persons or distinct entities.

a. Lord, we believe you are the Holy Spirit:

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

b. Lord, we believe you are the Father God:

Neh 9:6 Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all…

Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD… I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself …”

c. Lord, we believe you are our Lord Jesus Christ:

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God…16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth…”

Joh 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 3 All things were made by him...”

48. God, now we understand that you really speak in parables that to depend on our human capability, never could we comprehend the mystery of your words. When you said “let us” and “in our image” you have a purpose:

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness…”

a. Making true your word of hiding the “secret things” from the undeserving:

Mar 4:11 “And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.”

b. But revealing them to your chosen, the spiritual babes:

Col 1:26 “ Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints.”

Mat 11:25 “At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.”

49. Lord, finally, you have clearly revealed yourself to us and no longer are you a mystery!

Isa 9:6 “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father…”

Col 2:9 “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”

a. Lord, we did not know before you have been rebuking us:

Isa 29:13 “Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: 14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.”

b. Lord, now we know how to praise you:

Psa 56:10 “In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word.”
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FFT · Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:38 pm Post subject:

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Is there a conclusion anywhere in there?
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