Why Christianity today is divided

mag_dala55 · Tadpole Joined: 02 Jul 2006 Posts: 26

Perhaps we are thinking why Christianity is divided into sects and denominations when religious leaders have a common basis for their doctrines -- the Holy Bible.

The reason is, because "spiritual WOMEN" are speaking in the churches! A typical example is, religious leaders interpret WOMEN literally, thinking that they are the "men" alluded to in the following:

• 1 Tim 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

• 1 Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

If only we abide by what "is written," this chaos in Christianity should not have happened.

This is what “is written.” God speaks parables:

• Eze 20:49 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak PARABLES?

Jesus Christ was prophesied to speak dark sayings of old or in parables:

• Psa 78:2 I will open my mouth in a PARABLE: I will utter DARK SAYINGS OF OLD.

The prophecy is fulfilled as confirmed by Mark in:

• Mar 4:34 BUT WITHOUT A PARABLE SPAKE HE NOT UNTO THEM: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

Were Peter, John, James, Paul, or any the Apostles authorized to expound on the words of our Lord?

• Mar 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and WHEN THEY WERE ALONE, HE EXPOUNDED ALL THINGS TO HIS DISCIPLES.

Can we trust people expounding on the words of God?

• Jer 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; CURSED BE THE MAN THAT TRUSTETH IN MAN, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Can we use our own understanding in perceiving the meaning of the word of God?

• Prov 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and LEAN NOT UNTO THINE OWN UNDERSTANDING.

Did Jesus demonstrate the foregoing truth? He told His listeners:

• Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Look when Jer 17:5 and Prov 3:5 are violated!

• Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

• Mat 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

Proof that only God has the authority to expound on His words:

• Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
• Joh 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Therefore, who are the "women" in 1 Tim. 2:11-12?

Let alone God expound on His words.

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mag_dala55 · Tadpole Joined: 02 Jul 2006 Posts: 26

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lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:02 pm Post subject:

Curiosity here...

I'm a stickler for some things and I've been looking for this for a while and I can't seem to find it. I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this for me..

1Cr 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

Maybe someone can show me where it says in the law that women are not permitted to speak and they are commanded to be under obedience?

I can justify the obedience part with the conversation God had with Eve, but I can't find a law that doesn't allow women to speak.

hoping someone can help me out here..
thanks
Lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject:

HA,

I found this I thought it was cool...

Num 27:1 ¶ Then came the daughters of Zelophehad, the son of Hepher, the son of Gilead, the son of Machir, the son of Manasseh, of the families of Manasseh the son of Joseph: and these [are] the names of his daughters; Mahlah, Noah, and Hoglah, and Milcah, and Tirzah.
Num 27:2 And they stood before Moses, and before Eleazar the priest, and before the princes and all the congregation, [by] the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,
Num 27:3 Our father died in the wilderness, and he was not in the company of them that gathered themselves together against the LORD in the company of Korah; but died in his own sin, and had no sons.
Num 27:4 Why should the name of our father be done away from among his family, because he hath no son? Give unto us [therefore] a possession among the brethren of our father.
Num 27:5 And Moses brought their cause before the LORD.
Num 27:6 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 27:7 The daughters of Zelophehad speak right: thou shalt surely give them a possession of an inheritance among their father's brethren; and thou shalt cause the inheritance of their father to pass unto them.

least we get some credit for something .. Laughing

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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

mag_dala55 · Tadpole Joined: 02 Jul 2006 Posts: 26

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject:

well,
so far 5 daughters from the tribe of Manasseh Son of Joseph, who was born to Him while he was in Egypt but Jacob claimed as his own.
So also under the covenant of Abraham, which are the ten tribes of Israel scattered around the world.

Some say Ephraim and Manasseh are Britain and US. But even these people have scattered cross the globe to live in other countries too.

5 daughters...

Zelophehad
first-born, of the tribe of Manasseh, and of the family of Gilead; died in the wilderness. Having left no sons, his daughters, concerned lest their father's name should be "done away from among his family," made an appeal to Moses, who, by divine direction, appointed it as "a statute of judgment" in Israel that daughters should inherit their father's portion when no sons were left ( Num 27:1-11). But that the possession of Zelophehad might not pass away in the year of jubilee from the tribe to which he belonged, it was ordained by Moses that his daughters should not marry any one out of their father's tribe; and this afterwards became a general law ( Num 36).

Num 36:6 This [is] the thing which the LORD doth command concerning the daughters of Zelophehad, saying, Let them marry to whom they think best; only to the family of the tribe of their father shall they marry.

Num 36:11 For Mahlah, Tirzah, and Hoglah, and Milcah, and Noah, the daughters of Zelophehad, were married unto their father's brothers' sons:
Num 36:12 [And] they were married into the families of the sons of Manasseh the son of Joseph, and their inheritance remained in the tribe of the family of their father.

You know I see this same scenerio taking place between Joseph and Mary...odd... Confused or disgusted

Mary was going to be put out of the inheritance because Joseph thought she was impure. But the Angel intervened for her and She inherited the portion of the Lord.

Having left no sons, his daughters, concerned lest their father's name should be "done away from among his family," made an appeal to Moses, who, by divine direction, appointed it as "a statute of judgment" in Israel that daughters should inherit their father's portion when no sons were left ( Num 27:1-11).

don't know why, I just see it like this for now... Confused or disgusted

God Bless
Lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Pete · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:33 am Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:38 am Post subject:

Like when Eve gave Adam something to eat that God told him not to?

Wink

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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

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lone-traveler · Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:51 am Post subject:

MoJo · Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject:

knuckle · Young Wolf Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 501

Hi All-----------
Paul starts by speaking to the men about prophesying
1Co 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

He is saying guys take your turn and be silent when your fellows are speaking---this is church not a debate

1Co 14:34 Let your women(whos women?the women(wives)of the ones prophesying) keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

he is saying ladies this is church,not a football game your husbands don't need a cheering section

Paul was telling them in general---sit down and shut up so the message could be heard

much love------------knuckle

saibe · Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject: