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P1234567890
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 Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:21 pm Post subject: Finally, a politician in America came out of the closet! |
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This dude is my hero!
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=72&ItemID=12433
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Pondering
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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yeah, it's interesting the role of religion in American politics....
JFK took it head on...
Mitt Romney is trying to do the same thing, but he really is the Liberal Left's worst nightmare: A Mormon.
His record is pretty impressive and (despite the truly odd name) he seems like a "good dude"...
Here's a few highlights of his service record:
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"He balanced an out-of-control budget -- without raising taxes.
His record on civil rights -- including for homosexuals -- is unimpeachable, except for opposing judges who redefine marriage without the slightest attempt at democratic process; and yet his stances on moral issues should make him completely acceptable to the religious right.
Unlike any of the leading Democratic candidates, he has actually governed something. (Massachusets Governor, as a Republican  )
He also saved the scandal-ridden, heading-for-bankruptcy Salt Lake Olympics.
If he won, he'd be the richest man ever to win the Presidency -- his wealth is between 500 million and a billion bucks. But he earned it all himself -- by heading a company that assembled risk capital to buy failing companies and turn them around, saving countless jobs and making his investors rich, too.
Plus, he's good-looking, and all of his kids are married, church-going people who aren't likely to cause any scandals."
He's also still married to his first wife and not a hint of infedility in his background...
But the media is already going after the Morman thing pretty hard...
Article 6 of the Constitution states that there is no religious test for holding office...but it seems we have a de facto one...
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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He sounds too good to be true! What's the catch?
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-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | He sounds too good to be true! What's the catch? |
Three reasons the media isn't fawning over Mitt...
Conservative... Republican... and Mormon.
Now, if he were say, liberal, democrat, and an atheist... oh my my my... what a show that would be... finally, a free thinking individual running for the highest office in the land that is not encumbered by tradition... myth... or beholden to any group (unless they are previously approved by the left leaning fascists in the media of course).  No… people don’t like Mitt because they are afraid of him… kinda like folks hating Michael Jordan when he was in his prime… he was simply too good… too perfect.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Plus there is the whole 'mormon's taking over the world' consipiracy angle...
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Pondering
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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...which is pumped pretty hard by the media...and they bring up polygamy too (which has been outlawed by the morman church for over 100 years) despite that the fact that polygamy will get you excommunicated...
He probably needs to take it head on ala JFK and Catholicism in the 60's....
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Nixon was a Quaker, and he was elected... Do most Americans know the difference between what it means to be Quaker, and what it means to be Mormon? I doubt it...
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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theseldomscene
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| nixon was a quaker?...far out...so how did the veitnam(?) thing work?... |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:36 am Post subject: |
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tss...
the interesting thing about being president is that you get to inherit all sorts of things and you have to do the best you can with what you are given. Most of the time it means you get blamed for something someone else did, or began, and when the good things you do start come to fruition, some other schmuck is in the office taking all the glory...
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: |
the interesting thing about being president is that you get to inherit all sorts of things and you have to do the best you can with what you are given. Most of the time it means you get blamed for something someone else did, or began, and when the good things you do start come to fruition, some other schmuck is in the office taking all the glory... |
The Iraq war is a good example... Very few people know that it was actually Clinton who invaded Iraq, and George Bush just inherited the mess, even though he was totally against invading. Don't you remember the press conference in which Cheney and Rumsfeld were holding daisies and singing "Give Peace A Chance"?
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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RevJP
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P, that was the stupidest thing I've ever seen you post, and highly irrelevant as well, as it does not address anything I posted.
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Ana
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, that was just plain out rude. Very constructive there, RevJP... 
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P1234567890
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| RevJP wrote: | | P, that was the stupidest thing I've ever seen you post, and highly irrelevant as well, as it does not address anything I posted. |
I thought that what I posted was relevant to what you said... I could have simply said, "RevJP is right; sometimes presidents inherit problems created by their predecessors, but on the other hand, sometimes they have to deal with the messes that they themselves create."... But I thought that the way I put it was more fun.
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-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Right back at ya, Ana.
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Ana
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| RevJP wrote: | | Right back at ya, Ana. |
Well, what goes around comes around, and also do unto others and all that (and just think, I'm not even trying to get into heaven!).
To clarify:
| Someone on this board once wrote: | | What is Jesus' ultimate commandment? What lesson does he teach above all others? What rule did he give us that is considered so important that we have gilded it in gold? That is the rule I would expect to see practiced here by those claiming to be followers of Christ. |
| The same guy, in the same post, wrote wrote: | | I've always assumed that using words like drivel and blather when addressing someone's comments was rude and insulting. I can understand the concept of standing firm, what is putting the chaff in my trousers is the idea that standing firm somehow equates to bad behavior. I can stand firm, respectfully and humbly. I can make my point without insult, or condescension, or condemnation and still stick to my beliefs. I would expect no less from those who claim to honor Christ. |
I'll watch for it in the future
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