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Knight of christ
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 Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: Even without the Bible would Homosexualitiy still be wrong? |
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| A friend of mine said people rely on the Bible when protesting against Homosexuality however, if the Bible didn't exist would people still think of it as wrong? Can we tell it's wrong even without the use of it? |
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sofyst
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I think people would still consider it wrong, or at least unnatural. They would see the natural way of sex being between man and woman, and then they would see that this homosexual way is somewhat of a perversion. This is not necessarily true in all cultures, but some would still be opposed to it without Scripture.
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theseldomscene
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many non religous cultures completely reject it...like the old communist countries...as well as many religous cultures that are not CHRISTian....
looking at the parts of the human body and their functions should be enough to tell what goes where...  ..imo... |
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lone-traveler
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| theseldomscene wrote: | many non religous cultures completely reject it...like the old communist countries...as well as many religous cultures that are not CHRISTian....
looking at the parts of the human body and their functions should be enough to tell what goes where... ..imo... |
hmmm...
ROFL...you know...
forget it..LOLOLOL
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: Even without the Bible would Homosexualitiy still be wro |
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| Knight of christ wrote: | | A friend of mine said people rely on the Bible when protesting against Homosexuality however, if the Bible didn't exist would people still think of it as wrong? Can we tell it's wrong even without the use of it? |
We consider anything that goes against our culture to be wrong. Some examples: arranged marriages, belching at the table, scratching your parts in public, men holding hands in public (despite being straight), etc.
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RevJP
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Who's 'we'?
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sofyst
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WE
Pronunciation: 'wE
Function: pronoun, plural in construction
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English wE; akin to Old High German wir we, Sanskrit vayam
1 : I and the rest of a group that includes me : you and I : you and I and another or others : I and another or others not including you -- used as pronoun of the first person plural; compare I, OUR, OURS, US
2 : 1I -- used by sovereigns; used by writers to keep an impersonal character
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RevJP
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I know what 'we' means, but that wasn't my question.
P said 'we' do something, I want to know who he was referring to.
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sofyst
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I know, I know...I'm just a smart alec (elic, alic, elac)
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RevJP
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Yes, you are. 
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Eddy
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I think it would still be viewed as not necessarly unnatural, but certainly "alternative". simply because most people are straight.They say that 1 in 10 people are gay, if u reversed that to 1 in 10 people being straight then being straight would be viewed as un-natural or alternatitive.
The majority rules i'm afraid!! |
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RevJP
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Respectfully Eddy, that point is irrelevant. What is 'natural' is corrupt to God. The majority does rule though: all are corrupt, all are in sin whether they be straight or gay.
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Eddy
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| my point was that, even without religion, by virtue of the fact that most people arent gay, being gay would still be viewed as wrong to some extent, with or without religious guidance |
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summertime
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 3:53 am Post subject: Re: Even without the Bible would Homosexualitiy still be wro |
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| Knight of christ wrote: | | A friend of mine said people rely on the Bible when protesting against Homosexuality however, if the Bible didn't exist would people still think of it as wrong? Can we tell it's wrong even without the use of it? |
Because the bible can be referenced and texts pointed out in plain sight, this is why I believe homosexuality is seen as wrong overall. Sure, without the bible, some would still feel that way, but either way, it's a matter of opinion. Because one's faith is such a strong, passionate aspect of one's life, condemning homosexuality for religious reasons comes across more as reiteration of what one believes God believes (ie. They're just repeating what they believe God believes). However, as I see it, it's an opinion either way because your faith is yours while another person's faith is theirs. And though some may be of the same religion, there seems to be various perceptions of God in that one religion. Implying the question, "What God are you talking about?" since no one seems to attribute the exact same characteristics to God even within the same religion. The very existence of differences concerning what one believes God accepts and does not accept is proof of different images of God as held in the minds and hearts of those who believe in God. So, without the bible, there would still be those who say homosexuality is okay and those who oppose that view. However, as some would eventually realize as time went on, as some have already, homosexuality exists in nature and is, therefore, natural in that respect. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:04 am Post subject: Re: Even without the Bible would Homosexualitiy still be wro |
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| Knight of christ wrote: | | A friend of mine said people rely on the Bible when protesting against Homosexuality however, if the Bible didn't exist would people still think of it as wrong? Can we tell it's wrong even without the use of it? |
In ancient Greece and Rome, homosexuality was perfectly accepted normal behavior. Out in nature, it is perfectly natural, and has been observed in thousands of species.
The only thing which makes homosexuality 'wrong' is the fact that we have a culture (rooted in religion) which says that it's wrong.
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