Introduction...

Cranky Yankee · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2003 4:32 am Post subject: Introduction...

Greetings.

My name is Jim. I play guitar, mostly acoustic. Love P&W especially. I frequent AcousticGuitar.com. I posted something over there last week thinking it would be a blessing to others of like faith. It was to them but some others got a little bothered and I was invited to go find a place like this place, one that accepts another in spite of what they believe. I’m glad to find y’all. I’ll post the offensive post and you can tell me if it was worth everyone getting so shook up about. I’ll also post the location of the discussion that followed if anyone is interested.

The offensive post:

WARNING! Christian content

Nobby · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2003 2:29 pm Post subject: Introduction...

Hello Cranky Yankee,
Welcome To our board. I'm sure you can find a place here with us.
Iwent over to the Guitar Board. Man that realy did get them stired up!
I must say tho you bave posted in our Bible debate forum. So someone will probably debate you on this!
You can't debate in Noah's Lounge or the Bible Books below!
You can debate in any of the Public Debate Forums
Catch You Later
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Cranky Yankee · Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 7:37 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the welcome Nobby.

The offending statement, "In addition, an interview with Rick Husband's wife yesterday revealed that during training Rick had had the privilege of leading the Israeli astronaut, Ilan Ramon, who was a secular Jew, to faith in Jesus as the Messiah!" is unverifiable so I must apologize for posting something without checking it out first. My focus was on the wake up call. I didn't think twice that there was something in the email, other than being Christian on the whole, that would have made such a fuss.

Please forgive me for my mistake?

I don't know if I can but I will try to edit it.

Peace
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jim

ariella · Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2003 1:28 am Post subject: hi

hey, welcome over here Smile

i found your post interesting and it was good to hear Steve Greens singing and Commander Husbands response. I don't know about the other claims made; I guess only God can verify that, and that is ok Smile

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Cranky Yankee

Picking up where I left off at AG. First, thanks for the emails. I’m sorry I don’t get them till I get home from work as security is tight - no outside email accounts accessible.

Arch wrote: I urge you to look at your original post, try to put yourself in Jdub's shoes and pray for guidance. Ask for compassion, ask for grace.

I have looked at and edited my original post. I don’t need to put myself in jdub2’s shoes to ask for guidance, but I have prayed for guidance. Let Grace ask for her own compassion.

Arch wrote: Please do not argue with Cranky about the merits of religion or the existance of God.

I hadn’t noticed ST arguing at all. You on the other hand…

dhanners wrote: I'm not Jewish, but the song offends me because it was A) sappy and B) played to a crew of government employees who were operating a government vehicle engaged in a scientific mission.

I have to disagree about the song being sappy. I like it. As for point B, that is the thing that I thought might get some folks bothered. But I’m glad you confirmed, 80 posts too late, my original concern.

Yours was a well thought out post. Some things I agree with you on. Obviously others I don’t. Forgive me for picking and choosing which to address.

You wrote: Using that approach, we'd never cure any diseases, we'd never be inspired by the wonders of discovery, we'd never push ourselves to explore. Life is pretty boring when you've already answered the question "why?" ("'cause God said so....") so I imagine we'd just sit at home and when things got scary outside, we'd hide under our beds with only our religion to keep us company.

Jesus healed everyone He touched. He also broke up every funeral He ever attended. Inspired, those astronauts were not inspired to discover and investigate and explore? Sorry but that’s why they aren’t with us today. I am certainly not board. I greet everyday as if it could be my last and live it to the fullest. I didn’t hide when we were attacked - I wrote, I sang and I cried. But hid? I was out here consoling and being consoled. I must say though, it was comforting to have God to talk to during that time.

But as the Gospel of Thomas quotes Christ as saying, we spend too much time looking for heaven when what we really should be concerning ourselves with is our life in the here and now, and making it better for those around us.

A non-canonical book. However, I will say that I hope I can make life better for those I come in contact with. Even those I don’t come in contact with. Feed the hungry, cloth the naked and give a drink of water to one who is thirsty. Jesus said when we do it to the least of these we do it unto Him. He also said:

Matthew 6:31-34 So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' [32] For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. [33] But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. [34] Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

So He admonishes us to seek Heaven and Him.

The Universe is a wondrous place. For all I know, there may be a God behind it all. But the minute we stop looking is the minute we, well, the minute we stop being human. It's in our nature to want to know what's over the next hill.

I agree, the universe is a wondrous place. Life is wondrous and I do believe it is more than a cosmic accident. I haven’t stopped learning or seeking. God admonishes us to seek wisdom. One cannot do that and be lazy. God calls a lazy man a sluggard.

Proverbs 6:6-11 Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise!
[7] It has no commander, no overseer or ruler, [8] yet it stores its provisions in summer and gathers its food at harvest. [9] How long will you lie there, you sluggard? When will you get up from your sleep? [10] A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest-- [11] and poverty will come on you like a bandit and scarcity like an armed man.

Sekhmet & do frenzy I know you meant it lightly but man, just think, if Hell is a real place it’s no place to joke about. I pose it to you this way to ask you to consider the possibility rather than tell you it is a real place and have you think me judging you as being condemned to it. I know it is a real place and I don’t want to see anyone go there.

ST wrote and Sek quoted: Does Pat really think that Catholics and Episcopalians aren't Christians?

Who said that? Untrue. Many guests on CBN represent the Catholic and Episcopal faiths and many others. How’d I miss that?

Sekhmet: I think I would have loved Jesus. I don't think I would have like his disciples very much.

Yes, I think you would have loved Him. You still can. He loves you. As for the deciples, ornery as some of them were, they mellowed out later in life, kinda like dhanners. Wink

Arch wrote: Pat Robertson does not speak for body of Christianity any more than Jim does. They both have the right to speak for themselves. If they appear in your eyes to speak for the whole religion, please be assured that they do not. Please also forgive other Christians if they do not condemn a man for what he says. I have asked, several times, for Jim to reconsider what he has said. I will never disown him.

I never said I spoke for anyone but myself. Neither have I heard Pat Robertson presume to speak for anyone but himself. Rev. Fallwell on the other hand, imho, presumes to speak for the Baptist denomination. I may not agree with what he says at times but now you ask others to do what you accused Christians of being guilty previously, condemn. Or, in more common terms judge. Like you are doing in judging me. You keep referring to my original post. It has been edited and the offending sentence removed. You keep harping on me offending jdub2 and I have apologized. What do you want? Would you like me to bring you a sacrifice to appease your wrath, o mighty and exalted one?

Marshall, I don’t disown them. I do take exception with some things. I do not support Jerry Falwell. I have my reasons. He has done some things that turn me off and more than just what you refer to. However, I will not judge him. I will say he does not speak for me. As for Pat Robertson, I was watching and praying the day that hurricane threatened Virginia Beach. I watched as he prayed and the weather channel was stumped as to why it was changing track for no reason they could determine. However, that said, do I support CBN or the 700 club? No. I just don’t agree with Pat’s business practices with donated money. Not that he has lavished them on himself. I just had difficulty with a few television station purchases and resale. But, I do support Operation Blessing. They feed the hungry, cloth the naked, drill wells, visit prisons and more. All donations are specifically to OB. I will judge neither. The Bible says not to touch God’s anointed. Some anointing I recognize some I don’t. Pat Robertson is anointed. As for speaking for all Christians, hey, even the Pope doesn’t speak for all Catholics! Think Kennedy and Kerry.

BTW, for those of you who pray, pray for Sen. Kerry. He disclosed on TV today that he has prostate cancer.

Supertramp · Newbie Alert Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 2

Just to clear a few things up, the text that a lot of people took issue with was edited from the post you made here because it could not be substantiated. What is left was a wonderful post. NASA will play anything the astronaut wants as a wake up call. Husband requested taht music and NASA played it. It was and is a really nice piece of music that should not offend anyone.

Hey everyone, pardon the intrusion from a resident agnostic, but Cranky is a heck of a guy. There are a few folks on the AG board that are truely fun to listen to (Cranky being one of them) and are so solidly in their faith that some folks unfortunately take the opportunity to take shots out of a misguided sense of fun. Or maybe they feel threatened or just don't like religion in any form so they would prefer to not be exposed to it. Their loss.

Debate is fun. Discussion is better. Arguments waste time and insults are pointless. Cranky, if I said anything that upset you, let me say that I'm sorry.

Don't know how much time I can spend here, looks like my kind may not be too welcome but who knows.

Take care all. Be nice to ol' Cranky. Someday I hope to play guitar as well as he does and if I spend anymore time exchanging messages with him, and not practicing, I never will.

Peace to all!

Cranky Yankee · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:19 am Post subject:

ST, welcome to the ongoing saga of Christian Music in Spaceeeeeeeeee <echo goes here>. You are not an intruder. You are part of the reason I decided to continue. Your gracious support and lighthearted spirit were very welcome among some intense attacks.

Be assured, you have not said anything to offend me. Please do not think you are not welcome here. Anyplace that will accept me will accept just about anyone, well except Sadam and Bin Laden, maybe.

Keep pickin, super.
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Supertramp · Newbie Alert Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 2

Christian Music in space! I like that. Hey, not to hijack your first thread, but do you remember (I think it was Hanners) the post that asked "Why is so much Christian Music lousy?"

I have never understood how a blanket comment like that can be made. Sort of like, "Why are hymns so church like?"

I'm reminded of a Buddy Rich quote when he was taken to the hospital. They asked him if he was allergic to anything and he said, "Country Western." If you don't like it, don't listen to it.

Cranky Yankee · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:36 am Post subject:

ST, not a hijack at all. I think people making that comment are just commenting on what they think of Christians and Christianity in general. However, I don't listen to CW. My wife loves it. She's a little bit country and I'm a lot rock `n roll!

I have an idea for another topic over there dealing with a song I wrote her. I may post it tonight if I can find a place to host a 3.5 mb mp3.

Pick on dude!
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