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Michael Martin Ph.D.
Division of Physiology and Pathology
Director
NIH/CSR
Center for Scientific Review, Room 6160
6701 Rockledge Dr. Bethesda, MD 20892
Dr. Martin coordinates and monitors the initial peer review of grant applications in the areas of cardiovascular sciences; digestive sciences; hematology; integrative, functional and cognitive neurosciences; musculoskeletal, oral and skin sciences; renal and urological sciences; and the respiratory sciences. The reviews are conducted by seven integrated review groups, which consist of over 40 standing study sections.
A native of San Francisco, Dr. Martin did his undergraduate work at the University of California, Berkeley. His graduate and postdoctoral studies were at the University of Bristol, England, where he received his Ph.D. in physiology (neurosciences) for research characterizing the role of amino acids as neurotransmitters. In 1977, he returned to the United States and to NIH, where he was a senior staff fellow and pharmacologist in the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke.
In 1985, he left the lab and joined the NIH Grants Associate Program. Dr. Martin then became program director in the National Cancer Institute's Cancer Biology Branch. From there, he became Deputy Associate Director for Extramural Activities in the National Institute of General Medical Sciences, a position he held until joining CSR.
http://www.csr.nih.gov/photodisplay/finalinter.aspx?id=1218&other=0
Add also to this that I now have a Molecular and Cell Biology PHD from Yale as well as a ThM from Talbot Seminary after becoming a YECS after a convincing through the evidential support research of the other side. If Evolutionists have not yet looked at the evidence for Creation, it is urged that you consider doing this.
Dr. Michael Martin
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: Allw me to introduce myself |
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Well, show us the evidence. We're all ears.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Allw me to introduce myself |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Well, show us the evidence. We're all ears. |
For what? There's a ton. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Allw me to introduce myself |
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| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: | | Well, show us the evidence. We're all ears. |
For what? There's a ton. |
Let's just start out with evidence that God exists.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: Allw me to introduce myself |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: | | Well, show us the evidence. We're all ears. |
For what? There's a ton. |
Let's just start out with evidence that God exists. |
thats a Philosophical question, not necessarily a Scientific question. Its Metaphysical in nature.
Metaphysics and Physics are not mutually exclusive however, and thats the connect thats quintessential to the Theological and Scientific understanding.
One good piece of evidence is the coded structures within DNA being so complex as to actually signify a language in its origins!
That signifies Intelligent Design right off the bat. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Allw me to introduce myself |
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| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: |
Let's just start out with evidence that God exists. |
thats a Philosophical question, not necessarily a Scientific question. Its Metaphysical in nature.
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So you're saying that you don't have any scientific evidence for God's existence?
In other words, you're missing evidence for the single most important claim of creationism: that there was a creator.
How can creationism be scientific if you don't even have scientific evidence for a creator?
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: |
One good piece of evidence is the coded structures within DNA being so complex as to actually signify a language in its origins!
That signifies Intelligent Design right off the bat. |
You're going to have to explain this. What coded structures are you talking about? What language are you talking about?
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Allw me to introduce myself |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: |
Let's just start out with evidence that God exists. |
thats a Philosophical question, not necessarily a Scientific question. Its Metaphysical in nature.
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So you're saying that you don't have any scientific evidence for God's existence?
In other words, you're missing evidence for the single most important claim of creationism: that there was a creator.
How can creationism be scientific if you don't even have scientific evidence for a creator?
No you're misunderstanding. Philosophy precedes Science, and undercuts its origins. You need to have a good understanding of Philosophy to truly understand the origins of Science! The evidence follows after we understand that God is Metaphysical in nature, or above Physics.
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: |
One good piece of evidence is the coded structures within DNA being so complex as to actually signify a language in its origins!
That signifies Intelligent Design right off the bat. |
You're going to have to explain this. What coded structures are you talking about? What language are you talking about? |
You mean to tell me you're not familiar with the letters, A, G, C, T? Its a language that leads to the myriad of DNA proteins that we have in structures. A good review of Biochemistry might help you on this subject.
I'll direct you to: http://employees.csbsju.edu/hjakubowski/classes/ch331/dna/oldnalanguage.html
Specifically: In this review and online problem set, you will learn how modern molecular biologists manipulate DNA, the blueprint for all of life. As we learned in class the four letter alphabet (A, G, C, and T) that makes up DNA represents a language that when transcribed and translated leads to the myriad of proteins that make us who we are as a species and as individuals. Let's continue with the metaphor that DNA is a language. To master that language, as with any other language, we need to be able to read, write, copy, and edit that language. If you were using a word processor to find one line in a hundred page document, or one article from one book out of the Library of Congress, you would also need a way to search the large print base available. You might want to compare two different copies of files to see if they differ from each other. From the lab and this online discussion and problem set, you will learn how modern scientists read, write, copy, edit, search, and compare the language of the genome. These abilities, acquired over the last twenty years, have revolutionized our understanding of life and have given us the potential to alter, for good or evil, life itself. |
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Slow down P123...
You are attacking that which is the opposite side of the same coin you flip over and over again.
"How can there be creation without evidence of a creator?"
I think the obvious answer is the same you would provide for evolution. You claim to have evidence of evolution of man from goop, and yet your evidence is purely induction. Your proof that life as we know it started from natural causes is assumption.
Begin with the origin of life, or rather the creation of the universe, even the begining of that singularity that caused the big bang...
All evidence you present lacks and will continue to lack anything demonstrating a begining that is soundly scientific as far as proof is concerned.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: Allw me to introduce myself |
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| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: |
You mean to tell me you're not familiar with the letters, A, G, C, T? Its a language that leads to the myriad of DNA proteins that we have in structures. A good review of Biochemistry might help you on this subject.
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I'm not sure if you're trying to be patronizing, but I happen to know quite a bit about DNA and in fact have studied it at the graduate level.
Where is the language? Are you talking about protein encoding? Are you saying that every genome contains a language, complete with grammar and that it somehow fits into the Chomsky hierarchy somewhere?
I am totally unclear on what you are saying, so please clarify.
I'd also like to know how this has anything to do with an intelligent designer...
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-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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| RevJP wrote: | Slow down P123...
You are attacking that which is the opposite side of the same coin you flip over and over again.
"How can there be creation without evidence of a creator?"
I think the obvious answer is the same you would provide for evolution. You claim to have evidence of evolution of man from goop, and yet your evidence is purely induction. Your proof that life as we know it started from natural causes is assumption.
Begin with the origin of life, or rather the creation of the universe, even the begining of that singularity that caused the big bang...
All evidence you present lacks and will continue to lack anything demonstrating a begining that is soundly scientific as far as proof is concerned. |
Good points, though I must admit I do not agree with the Big Bang model. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Allw me to introduce myself |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Dr. Michael Martin wrote: |
You mean to tell me you're not familiar with the letters, A, G, C, T? Its a language that leads to the myriad of DNA proteins that we have in structures. A good review of Biochemistry might help you on this subject.
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I'm not sure if you're trying to be patronizing, but I happen to know quite a bit about DNA and in fact have studied it at the graduate level.
Where is the language? Are you talking about protein encoding? Are you saying that every genome contains a language, complete with grammar and that it somehow fits into the Chomsky hierarchy somewhere?
I am totally unclear on what you are saying, so please clarify.
I'd also like to know how this has anything to do with an intelligent designer... |
Coded language implies a rational creator of this coded language! How do you explain this? |
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| Quote: | | though I must admit I do not agree with the Big Bang model. |
Neither do I, as presented by 'science'. Seems they have this contradiction with 'something from nothing' and no way to explain it. To have a singularity you have to have something, don't you?
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| RevJP wrote: |
I think the obvious answer is the same you would provide for evolution. You claim to have evidence of evolution of man from goop, and yet your evidence is purely induction. |
For the purposes of this debate, et's for the moment assume that I am willing to concede that if God exists, then He created the proper conditions and the original spark of life. Forget abiogenesis. Let's talk about evolution, and Young Earth Creationism, since these are the topics that our new debater brought up.
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-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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| Quote: | | Coded language implies a rational creator of this coded language! How do you explain this? |
My experience is that those here deny there is any 'pattern' or 'design' to DNA or life, or nature. That it is all random and, to use the words of who will be your most vehement of debators: A total mess....
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