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Trinity1
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 Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject: Our French "Friends" |
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It looks like someone in France finally found a way to fire someone. In THIS case having ties to terrorist organizations just seems to be a little to much for even the French... who, can't fire anyone... at any age... for any reason.... except for affiliating with terrorists... and that is only if you work at the airport. 
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, go ahead and criticize the French for the stupid things they do, but as I understand it, the majority of French people (and Eurpeans in general, for that matter) are much less tolerant of Muslims than we are here in North America.
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zadok17
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Hey, go ahead and criticize the French for the stupid things they do, but as I understand it, the majority of French people (and Eurpeans in general, for that matter) are much less tolerant of Muslims than we are here in North America. |
Who told you this? |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| zadok17 wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: | | Hey, go ahead and criticize the French for the stupid things they do, but as I understand it, the majority of French people (and Eurpeans in general, for that matter) are much less tolerant of Muslims than we are here in North America. |
Who told you this? |
Nobody told me; having traveled extensively in Europe (and being European myself), I have seen it over and over again with my own eyes in many countries. Europeans are definitely more racist than North Americans.
Go talk to an Eastern European some time about Gypsies. Or go talk to a Greek about Turks or Albanians. Ask a German about Turks. You'll see. For all of our flaws, we North Americans are actually quite enlightened in some ways.
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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zadok17
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| There is enough evil in this world to supply all of humanity with a dose. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| zadok17 wrote: | | There is enough evil in this world to supply all of humanity with a dose. |
... and Christians are not exempt.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for throwing that in thier P. Although no one said they were, I'm not surprised that you found it necessary to point out. 
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Thanks for throwing that in thier P. Although no one said they were, I'm not surprised that you found it necessary to point out. |
I'm just curious to see if Zadok agrees or disagrees with me.
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zadok17
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe I already qualified the statement when I said THE WHOLE WORLD, lol. |
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zadok17
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe I already qualified the statement when I said ALL OF HUMANITY, lol. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| zadok17 wrote: | | I believe I already qualified the statement when I said ALL OF HUMANITY, lol. |
In that case, how is being a Christian advantageous at all? If Christians are just as evil as the next guy, then clearly Christianity does not help keep people from straying into Satan's path.
I don't think that you really believe that Christians get their fair share of evil. I think that you believe Christians are on average less evil than others.
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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P, I think you are contriving assumptions to begin an argument of sorts..
You wouldn't do THAT would you? 
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P1234567890
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| RevJP wrote: | P, I think you are contriving assumptions to begin an argument of sorts..
You wouldn't do THAT would you? |
I'm not trying to be a jerk here. The logician in me sees an inherent contradiction in what Zadock is saying and what his beliefs are. On one hand he is a Christian, so he clearly thinks that there is something morally desirable about being a Christian. On the other hand, he is saying that Christians also get their fair share of evil.
So which is it? Is Christianity morally superior or not?
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | So which is it? Is Christianity morally superior or not? |
I think you are asking the wrong question. No one has, or has begun to argue about moral superiority (except you), and that is not the issue when discussed with zadock's comment on 'fair share of evil'.
Christians are no less afflicted by the nature of the flesh that the non-faithful are. Heck, as pointed out, even Jesus was afflicted such. The difference is that Christians, through the power of the Holy Spirit, have the freedom of will to walk in righteousness whereas the non-faithful do not.
Those who are not in Christ have no freedom of will, they can only chose evil (and I am sure we will need to delve into what that means - I'm not suggesting 'being bad').
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zadok17
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| That's right! Christians are not perfect. They're just forgiven when they have a change of heart. This makes them perfect for that moment till they sin again. Then we go again to the throne of grace and seek forgiveness! Many in the secular world make the mistake of looking at how a Christian may live, looking for every chance they can for that Christian to make a mistake and do something wrong then they holler, AHA! I caught you sinning. They should not look to Christians to be oerfect examples cause we will fail. They should look to Christ as the example to follow, not a christian. |
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