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Trinity1
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 Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject: I call it progress |
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It appears that the percentage of those in the good ole USofA that accept evolution has slipped, despite years and years of indoctrination. The article states we are the most educated nation on the earth... but fails to even consider the correlation between the two... I guess not everyone gets it. 
See HERE.
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: I call it progress |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | It appears that the percentage of those in the good ole USofA that accept evolution has slipped, despite years and years of indoctrination. The article states we are the most educated nation on the earth... but fails to even consider the correlation between the two... I guess not everyone gets it.
See HERE. |
You have no idea what a bad sign this is for your country... 
My favorite quote from the article:
| Quote: | | American adults may be harder to reach: nearly two-thirds don't agree that more than half of human genes are common to chimpanzees. How would these people respond when told that humans and chimps share 99 per cent of their genes? |
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:41 am Post subject: Re: I call it progress |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | The article states we are the most educated nation on the earth... but fails to even consider the correlation between the two... I guess not everyone gets it. |
It doesn't say anything of the sort: | Quote: | | Even though the average American has more years of education than when Miller began his surveys 20 years ago |
More education does not necessarily mean better education. Especially when children are getting the proverbial shaft in biology education because teachers don't want to deal with creationists when trying to teach students.
In the high school I graduated from, you only had to take one class of Biology to graduate. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:28 am Post subject: Re: I call it progress |
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| FFT wrote: | More education does not necessarily mean better education. Especially when children are getting the proverbial shaft in biology education because teachers don't want to deal with creationists when trying to teach students.
In the high school I graduated from, you only had to take one class of Biology to graduate. |
Americans certainly are not the best-educated people on Earth. The average level of education is actually quite low. Even if you ignore higher education, the American secondary school system is even worse than the Canadian one, which itself is pretty abysmal.
I teach tutorials all the time, and the undergrads that I get can hardly write, and have hardly any analytical skills. And these are the guys who got into my university, which is one of the best in the country!!!
I've been in school for more than 20 years straight, and I'm only just starting to feel as if I'm moderately educated.
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:06 am Post subject: Re: I call it progress |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | It appears that the percentage of those in the good ole USofA that accept evolution has slipped, despite years and years of indoctrination. The article states we are the most educated nation on the earth... but fails to even consider the correlation between the two... I guess not everyone gets it.
See HERE. |
You have no idea what a bad sign this is for your country...
My favorite quote from the article:
| Quote: | | American adults may be harder to reach: nearly two-thirds don't agree that more than half of human genes are common to chimpanzees. How would these people respond when told that humans and chimps share 99 per cent of their genes? |
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P, I posted this same article over on CV... and illuminated this very quote. My point was that this is indicative of the desperation of those pushing this theory as it is a LIE! A big ole fat juicy LIE. Just lil ole me is able to recognize the fact that the difference in the number of chromosomes makes this calculation impossible... there has to be at least a 4% difference... but here, "99%"... it is a lie being told by liars!
I beleive, according to the latest calculations, it was 94.6%. Citing some of the latest studies, AIG has it around 95%. But, it is clearly another lie, as it is not 99%.
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‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | P, I posted this same article over on CV... and illuminated this very quote. My point was that this is indicative of the desperation of those pushing this theory as it is a LIE! A big ole fat juicy LIE. Just lil ole me is able to recognize the fact that the difference in the number of chromosomes makes this calculation impossible... there has to be at least a 4% difference... but here, "99%"... it is a lie being told by liars! |
99.4%, actually. Looks like I get to fly over to CV and laugh at you there, too. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | P, I posted this same article over on CV... and illuminated this very quote. My point was that this is indicative of the desperation of those pushing this theory as it is a LIE! A big ole fat juicy LIE. Just lil ole me is able to recognize the fact that the difference in the number of chromosomes makes this calculation impossible... there has to be at least a 4% difference... but here, "99%"... it is a lie being told by liars! |
99.4%, actually. Looks like I get to fly over to CV and laugh at you there, too. |
When we are not even that closely related to each other.... keep laughing. 
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:22 am Post subject: |
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This is what I posted over on CV:
THIS article says 98.4%
THIS article, from the same organization, says it is 95%
THIS article discusses what was actually compared, citing another study that compared ten times as many sequences... ain't it funny how this information changes so regularly...
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P1234567890
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The debate on whether it is 94% or 99% is really just a big misunderstanding. It's not like comparing two genomes is a well-defined operation. It is somewhat subjective. There are ways of comparing genomes such that it is 94%. There are other ways such that it is 99%. There is no fraud going on here, and nobody is telling lies.
For example, it is easy to conclude that it is possible to take two people and a chimp, and compare the genomes such that person 1's genome is more similar to the chimp's genome than it is to person 2's genome: just take a man, a woman, and a male chimp; the male chimp has a y chromosome, and so does the man. The woman doesn't, so right there you get a huge difference!
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | For example, it is easy to conclude that it is possible to take two people and a chimp, and compare the genomes such that person 1's genome is more similar to the chimp's genome than it is to person 2's genome: just take a man, a woman, and a male chimp; the male chimp has a y chromosome, and so does the man. The woman doesn't, so right there you get a huge difference! |
So, those who engage in these comparisons, knowing the differences, can make the statement that our genomes are 99% similar without impunity? Is that intellectual honesty, or dishonesty through equivocation?
The man was lying P. He was either lying because he didn't understand the differences and wanted to make a point that he could not fully comprehend, or he was lying because he did understand, and lied through omission.
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
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FFT
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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The writer was simply reporting the latest results.
And yet you're calling it a lie? |
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Trinity1
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| FFT wrote: | The writer was simply reporting the latest results.
And yet you're calling it a lie? |
No... he was reporting the results of a partial study and then treated it as if it was the entire genome...
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: |
So, those who engage in these comparisons, knowing the differences, can make the statement that our genomes are 99% similar without impunity? Is that intellectual honesty, or dishonesty through equivocation?
The man was lying P. He was either lying because he didn't understand the differences and wanted to make a point that he could not fully comprehend, or he was lying because he did understand, and lied through omission. |
The dude wasn't telling a lie! Depending on HOW you measure it, you can get all sorts of different answers on how close our genome is to that of a chimp. It is no more a lie than when creationists go and use the measurements that make the human and chimp genomes seem as if they are only 94% similar. (Which is interesting in and of itself... the worst metric STILL gives 94%.)
In any case, who cares! Even if we say it's only 98% or whatever, that's still a HUGE problem for creationism to explain!
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-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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FFT
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | No... he was reporting the results of a partial study and then treated it as if it was the entire genome... |
The study was of coding DNA. That is, the parts of the DNA that actually make a difference. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:30 am Post subject: |
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The dude wasn't telling a lie! Depending on HOW you measure it, you can get all sorts of different answers on how close our genome is to that of a chimp. It is no more a lie than when creationists go and use the measurements that make the human and chimp genomes seem as if they are only 94% similar. (Which is interesting in and of itself... the worst metric STILL gives 94%.) |
P... even if one gene is wrong it can kill an organism... .1% difference can be catastrophic to a 'species'.
| Quote: | | In any case, who cares! Even if we say it's only 98% or whatever, that's still a HUGE problem for creationism to explain! |
No... not at all. It is no more supportive of the homologous evidence of comparing a Volkswagen to a Hummer and stating that they both have a common ancestor since 98%... 99% of their parts are similar... it demonstrates absolutely nothing.
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‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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