Stem cell research?

golfjack · Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: Stem cell research?

We have a great crisis in the Middle-East, and what is the senate debating today? Can you imagine with the trouble in the world today. North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Syria, AL-Quida, Hesbelah, Hamas, Canada, Cuba, Venezualia, Sudan, Home grown Terreoists, and radical Islam, who wants to throw Israel into the sea, and kill Americans in the name of Allah. I really believe we are entering into World War 3. And what are our leaders doing today? Their debating Embroyonic Stem Cell Research. Trying to murder as many unborn they can. It just won't cure anything. This is false hope. Has it cured anything yet? NO. And it won't in the future.

Come on Christians, give me some input.

May God bless, golfjack

lone-traveler · Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject:

what did you expect?

It's a manmade nation, built on manmade laws, looking for manmade profits, from the innocent who are trying to survive.

But I gues man made is better than none... Wink

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RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA

GJ, I'm not following your line of thinking. Explain to me how stem cell research equates to "trying to murder as many unborn as they can"?

And please while you're at it, support your horrifically fallacious assumptive assertion that "it just won't cure anything'.
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golfjack · Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject: reply

Rev. Adult stem cell research is already showing great promise, and even some cures in it's infantacy stage. The other is a much different story. Point one, They haven't even got out of the stage where mice are tested and this causes cancer. Why do I say it will never work? God told me, and I believe Him. Even if it did work, I believe it is immoral, and I can't imagine God approving of it. The end does not justify means. Medical science has proven that when a sperm matches with the egg, it is a human being. Manny will say it shows promise, but I believe it is a false assumption. I am not a scientist by any stretch of the imagination, but I have listened to Medical doctors like Tom Coburn, and he said there are leading scientists in the field that say it just won't work. Tom Coburn is a senator from Ok. Bottom line, it probably will pass the senate, but Bush will veto it. America just can't keep on murdering the unburn, without seeing the wrath of God. And we should pray for our leaders to receive divine wisdom from God.

May God bless, golfjack

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA

So you are saying that you've heard that embryonic stem cell research won't work? Have you actually studied the subject at all? Oh, sorry, you've already stated that such is not the case.

What I cannot undertand then is why you equate this research with 'murdering the unborn'.

golfjack · Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: reply

Rev. I guess you can believe what you want to believe. I can't imagine God approving of this. Murder, call it it what you will, but in my book, you are making excuses trying to intelectualize this. In my book, there is no excuse to kill an unborn child, whether by abortion or taking it from the fertilized egg to cure something. They should be spending money for adult stem cell work, which looks very promising instead of something that hasn't ever worked. A child was cured of Diabetis by using cord blood, and I think there are other cures. Embryonic stem cells hasn't even got out of it's infancy yet after about 15 years of study, whereas adult stem cell work has really advanced in 18 Months. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine which is better.

May God bless, golfjack

Gabbylittleangel · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:02 pm Post subject:

I never saw Jesus laying hands on someone to implant stem cells of any sort.
I have absolutely no medical training, and have never done any medical research... but I do know the word of God. The stripes of Jesus Christ seem to contradict "By stem cells ye are healed."
I am confused. People who profess faith in Jesus Christ, who have watched the movie "The Passion of The Christ" and say that they believe that it is an accurate representation - will put faith in the medical science of cutting and splicing human bodies together as if that is God's plan for healing.
Mat 13:58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

Gabbylittleangel #Lil angel

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golfjack · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:16 pm Post subject: reply

The devil is in the details. The Bible says in Ezek. that God knew even before he was in his mothers womb, he knew him. Gabbylittleangel, if God's people only knew they can claim healing, but many churches will say, that healing business is of the devil. Doesn't the Bible say that my people are destroyed because of lack of knowledge.

May God bless, golfjack

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject:

too true golfjack,
lack of knowledge, lack of faith, lack of truth, lack of God.

God Bless
Lone
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Gabbylittleangel · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:37 pm Post subject:

Well, yeah Lone-traveler. That and knowledge of the ways of the world and satans substitutes. Faith in the government and medical science , both have been exalted above God in today's world. And the abundance of idols to choose from.

Gabbylittleangel #Lil angel

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lone-traveler · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject:

I am not Discouraged!!

God will and already has Prevailed!!!

Yeehawwww!!

God Bless
Lone
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RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA

golfjack · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:20 pm Post subject: reply

Rev. I didn't mean to confuse the issue. If I did, please accept my apology. All, I am saying is that according to my beliefs and Knowledge of the God of the Bible, this is immoral and the killing or murdering of unborn Children is disgusting to me. I don't understand when you say that the fertilized egg out of the womb is not human. To me, it is life pure and simple. God ordained it, and I am totally against using Federal money, regardless if it works or not. I am not a scientist, but God is the master scientist.

May God bless, golfjack

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA

Okay, I understand you are against abortion, that is not the question. We are talking about embryotic stem cell research. You are then saying that such research constitutes abortion?
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golfjack · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:52 pm Post subject: reply

No, I am not saying it is abortion, but immoral.

May God bless, golfjack