why vs.?

lone-traveler · Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:29 am Post subject: why vs.?

If evolution is on one end of the spectrum and Creation is on the other end of the spectrum, then what is in between.

Or even reverse that..

If creation is on one end and evolution is on the other then what is in the middle.

God created from dirt....we evolve from dirt to spirit.

so inbetween dirt and spirit we have what?

Dirt is the Body, Spirit is the Mind, the two combine and grow together to become a Living Breathing Soul.

Why does it have to be vs? why can't we work together?

God bless
lone

The question is....if God didn't create the dirt, then there is no spirit, and we don't really exist....

Is this the truth?

Do we exist? are we alive or are we dead men walking?

what do you think...
can we find a common ground here?
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lone-traveler · Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:53 am Post subject:

Lets take this a step deeper ok?

If God created all the animals from the earth, which were here first.
And they have life in them, because they have life in the blood, then does that mean that animals are living souls.

See Jesus as the Lamb.
Is this what animals think? Do they think? They fear, and the can be friendly, they can be cunning, they can save, and they can kill.

What was created that has no blood in it? clams, snails, what else, there has to be more, not all water animals are bloodless, yet there are some.

After 5 days however long that is, 5 million years, 5 billion years, 5 weeks, 5 thousand years. For a day is as a thousand years.

Then God created Man. By God creating man, God put his own mind in the body and now the animal and God became a Man.

Men are as beasts.

Not all beasts are men, and not all men are beasts, but they were seperated by one day.

One thousand years.

We have been living as men on earth for 5000 years, When Jesus came to earth he found that the spirit that was given to man had deteriorated and had been stolen, lost, and abused. Near death.
He came to revive it.

For the first thousand years of AD, this is man walking on the earth with a new spirit and new minds being created and a new family.
Not animal, Not Man, But of God.

This last 1000 years that we have been here, is known as the sabbath day.

Everything we needed to get through this period of time as far as learning and aquiring knowledge, new knowledge of both physics and spiritual were given to people that lived the last thousand years.
Newton, Einstein, New minds to create new things.
Both Good and Bad.
Cures and diseases, Things to make life easier, and weapons to make life harder. Science has increased, knowledge about the body and the earth have increased.
Not all these things are bad, and not all these things are good. But a little here and a little there and they make life more protected, and healthy.

So now we have just completed that sabbath day, and the time for destruction and renewal is at hand.

What will come out of all of this is a new thing.

Behold I make all things new....

Is Creation possible? Absolutely everything is created in some way shape or form, even if we can't see it or understand how.
Is Evolution possible? Absolutely we see it every day, in our selves giving birth, living and dying.
In the world around us...Old ideas being combined with new ideas to become new instruments that we use.
Computers, washing machines, laptops, I-pods, this is our creation of things we have in the world.
Our Bodies is God's creation from the substance of the earth.
Our Spirits is God's creation from the substance of himself.

any thoughts?
Lone
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Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

P1234567890 · Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:18 am Post subject: Re: why vs.?

Ana · Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:03 am Post subject: Re: why vs.?

lone-traveler · Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject:

Hello Ana,

I'm a simple folk. I don't have the scientific knowledge and expertise that has been given to the world to learn all these wonderful truths that are out there, So I end up havening to "look up" to the ones that have been honestly gifted with this information.

However, I find that a lot of times "looking up" is a hard thing to do. It means I have to humble myself and bow myself down before those who have a clearer understanding of the inner workings of a thing than I do myself.

This humbling is good, yet it makes me appear simple. So my Pride has a hard time dealing with this.

On the other end of this are those who have the knowledge and the information, having a difficult time "looking down" on those who may not fully grasp the intimate and intricate workings of things, thereby recognizing within themselves, that the ones they are "looking down" on are simple. And that to try to explain to them in simple terms would mean they have to humble themselves and the vanity of their knowledge, to condenscend down to the simple mind.

Yet this humbling is good, but it makes them appear condenscending. So their Vanity has a hard time dealing with this.

Now if I was all scientific and I knew what science knows then I myself may become High and puffed up and have a hard time relating to someone beneath my level of intelligence.

Because within me lies the ability to be both Prideful and Vain.

So I can't accuse or put the blame on any of us of being prideful or vain because it is inherant in each one of us and we are all guilty of it.

But if, Just if...

The ones who have the knowledge, could somehow reach down to the simple...and the simple could put away their pride and reach up to those with the knowledge...then those things that are hard to understand could become simple, and those things that are simple could become more deeply understood then maybe between the two we could all learn a thing or two.

God help me with my pride and give me grace to reach up so that I may understand those that have such awesome knowledge to be shared with the world around us, and Lord, help those that have a tendancy to feel superior to others, give them grace to learn to reach down and lift us up so that we may understand eachother more clearly.

Is it possible to meet eachother half way?

I hope so.

God Bless
Lone

Now on the other end of this spectrum are those who understand the spiritual rather than the scientific...
and If we could apply the same principle and bring down our spiritual superiority to meet those who are more scientifically minded, which appears as worldly. Then having science reach up, and spirituality reach down, once again, maybe we could find a better understanding of both sides.

Ana...

It could be that if we were to read the bible backwards....
then these are the days that languages are confounded in the tower of Babel, and that time is turning back on itself, taking the ruins and building them back up. Making whole what was once destroyed.

Rewind the bible. watch it in reverse. and you will see the goal which we strive to attain. The race that is set before us, before it is too late.

Build up the Tower, The World will rule over it for a time, this is Cain building the city that he was sent to build. Back up...Cain is Fighting Abel.
Worldly against Spiritual. Pride against Vanity.
Back up...Both Pride and Vanity within Adam and Eve after eating the tree.

Back up...Pride and Vanity not existing before the deception.

Back up... Eve as One with Adam..the rib not being removed.

Back up..Adam and God living in Paradise before woman being made.

Back up..Adam being created from earth,water, and spirit.
body, mind, and soul.

Back up...The Kingdom of God...making a new heaven and a new earth.

This is our destination...and our origination.

The expansion and the collapse of the universe....and the creating of a new whole.

religion and science either draw swords on eachother or they walk hand in hand. And it is up to mankind to decide...will we kill, or will we heal that which is wounded.

We are reaching a crossroad and we need to decide.
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

FFT · Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject:

P1234567890 · Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject:

hey P...

that's so true.
yes we think we know don't we? and if someone knows a little, they blow it up out of proportion, and when they are questioned it's the pride that gets hurt...

but humbleness isn't that obvious in human nature, because no one wants to be considered "weak". So we put up a facade, and we make ourselves out to be more than what we truly are, and end up causing more harm then good.

And when it all comes out in the wash, we'll see for ourselves that that little man, who thought himself so high and mighty and over and above all, was nothing more or less than the one who stands beside him.

We are all our brother's keepers, but not everybody wants to give up the big brother role, and not everyone wants to take direction from their older brother.

It's when we can finally realize that we're really all the same age, and no one is higher or lower than the other, that we will be able to work the fields together, and hunt for treasures together, that maybe we'll be able to turn this whole thing around...

We''re all in this same boat together. We're either gonna make it sink or swim, and we all have a part to play, each one is responsible for something. Even if it's just a smile, or lending your shoulder to someone, or holding a flashlight, or an umbrella, for some one who cant.

Am I my brother's keeper?

We all are.

God Bless
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.