Resurrection, God's kingdom, and the end of the old covenant

Zathrus · Last edited by Zathrus on Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:44 pm; edited 1 time in total

I was thinking yesterday about our discussion in the Preterism/Dispensationalism thread, which among other things covered the timing and nature of the resurrection of the saints. While going over the passages of scripture we discussed in that thread, I discovered these amazing parallels between several of them.

1 Cor 15:52-57

Star · Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:37 am Post subject:

Zath writes

9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Star replies

Great post Zath Very Happy

John 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust.

There is ONE who accuses Amen bro Very Happy

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God love ya In Him Starlaa

MoJo · Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:24 am Post subject:

Hi Zathrus. Couple of questions. Do you have scripture that supports that the law passed away in 70 AD? Paul preached that we were no lomger under the law which suggests it had already passed away long before 70 AD.

and

When was Satan loosed out of his prison after being bound for 1000 years?

and

Where do you see the 42 months of the Gentiles and the 1260 days of the two witnesses and the 3 and half days of them lying dead in the street as these are the first two woes before the 3rd woe which is the 7th angel?

Thanks Very Happy

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matt 6: 34 "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

Zathrus · Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:29 pm Post subject:

MoJo · Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:23 pm Post subject:

thanks Zathrus. I should tell you that I won't accept any proof other than scripture, so don't waste any time at least on my account looking for the 42 months anywhere other than the bible. In my view, it should either be confirmed in the bible as having been fulfilled or have scriptural support elsewhere as a prophecy yet to be fulfilled. Just for future reference, when anyone discusses anything with me, I only allow scripture as proof. This is just to let you know my parameters. Therefore this;

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

i hit post reply and it too well over two minutes just to get a square blank box.

i've only been at this chat business a better part of four months but , other forums are alot quicker. and i do have DSL.

please help!
fuirthermore can some give point by point instrucetion on how to look at someones post and then make a cute little box around one part, make a comment and go down the post , know whatta i mean?

mojo,
good post,
these preterist's , just fly by the seat of their pants, i 've decided it's almost best just to tell them to " get a life". and frequently i've said just what you have right there ,a nd they conclude they need to go read some experts comments, or they have 3 books sitting beside them, regarding a certain hypothetical situation that they've concocted to formulate some , speculative response, based on maybe, perhaps and i think,_____ it all stinks.
but somehow we have to live with them and in some respect they keep the debates going on and it gets the christian reading and defeneding his position , which , is a good thing, so in the end, it's all good. lol
just talked my way into God's game plan, which leads me up to some points of interest.
Note how Zathrus gymnastically jumped from verse to verse to justify his point , that being the law was done away with in 70 AD.
The only law done away with , was finalized at the crucifiction, that was the law of animal sacrifices for atonements__________period.
Even many christians, and churches, use literalism and 'extrapolation techniques', to try and conclude that the laws of Moses, ie pac 10 were also crucified and the new, 'Jesus commandments' are what all should live by. This again takes ' Bible gymnastics' to do this, ______eg ___ see here, now look there and Paul said so see that's it. Now close the Book, i'm your educated Pulpit preacher , listen up, all of your are sinners and Jesus paid the price so, he died and belive he ressurected 3 days later and your saved, got it!!!! OK now everything will be hunky dorry and you all can be a sizeable donation in the faith pot, just before you leave, and we are taking donations for the African mission, as well as donations for the boys camp, and donations for the addition on the east side of the church and also not mention it too loudly but my 2003 expedtion, ford is outdated and i need a new one . So i'll just take a little from all the different boses and that's fine with you, right all you saved faith believers, forn again buddies. And one last thing, i'll be at the door to shake your hand on the way out , " nice to see you, and you, and you, hi there billy, nice to see you, thank you and you,"._______ miss collection girl , how much faith colletions, did we get this sunday morning? $4,321.00
not bad ,eh?, let's go for lunch, and we'll stop by xyz, auto shop and see what kind of toyoto you need. " lol.
Digress , oh well, and every week , all over the country , the same and different. over and over and over. ok not all the same BUT.

That's why in Luke ch 21 you have Jesus addressing the future and there is that future wherein you can read that all 7 churches, though they correspond , to a degree with Pauls establish churches, it is a not to be taken literally but to be read that all faiths , all religions are out of line , and he repeats his expression of his imminent return.
Those two ch Rev 2 &3 address all, to get your act together, you have but a short time to stop all your sin ways and he adresses the patient which ultimately are 'the bride' who will make up the firstfruits upon the blowing of the 7 trumpets, and vials and sounding of God's glory. The patient are mentioned in ch 14:12, but one more specific point that i was leading up to is the NEW SONG, that is sung ie ch 5 and 14:3 which corresponds new b/c it represents the latter days and the gathering of the new souls for God in Jesus but it also confirms the " song of Moses" 15:3 which as you can conclude by other verses ie 21:8 and 27, that the pac 10 , 10 commandments are still in effect the bottom line to the actions, ie lifestyle required to enter the kingdom. the gate is still narrow, it's not broad and wide living it up in America, and saying " I'm free, born again , Yipee, , i love jesus , i'm going to heaven yahoo, and who's playing football monday nite, and i'm working 60hours a week for GE and all is good, the kids are in the 'evolutionary based school of education' and mom's at all here social events and we go to church every sunday and put 30 $ in the faith pot , and yahoo all is good, and i'll pray for you.

That's not it guys , and many of you know it . so let's get started and bring in the new._________________song- now that's yipeeeeeee!

David2

Nobby · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:52 pm Post subject: This is the way I quote!