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Silver Surfer
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Atheists will be lost because they failed to ask honestly for God to reveal Himself, to them......which HE WILL DO, if asked with an honest heart to know.
Because Judgment Day, is a VERY BAD time to finally find out, that God exist !!!!!
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45degreeN
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Location: Salem Oregon
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Your absolutely right SS but until they realize there is a God they don't even accept the idea of a judgment day.
The faith of atheists is not a "Saving faith" don't ever get me wrong on that one, their faith will not do a single thing for them except be a way of making it in this world. It doesn't prepare them for the next one at all.
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | Atheists will be lost because they failed to ask honestly for God to reveal Himself, to them......which HE WILL DO, if asked with an honest heart to know.
Because Judgment Day, is a VERY BAD time to finally find out, that God exist !!!!! |
John 6:
44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
and I will raise him up at the last day.
45It is written in the prophets,
And they shall be all taught of God.
Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
God is fully and totally responsible for all who don't know that He exists or that do not know Him or don't have the honest hearts to ask.
Judgment Day is a great time to dind out God does exist when God loves those who don't know so: those who don't know will get the same PAY as those of us do know. see the parable.
JD is only a VERY BAD time to finally find out that God exist IF God hated those who did not know.
But God loves those who know and don't know:
Ezekiel 18: 23Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
32For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
in God's Love of those all atheists and theists,
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| 45degreeN wrote: | Your absolutely right SS but until they realize there is a God they don't even accept the idea of a judgment day.
The faith of atheists is not a "Saving faith" don't ever get me wrong on that one, their faith will not do a single thing for them except be a way of making it in this world. It doesn't prepare them for the next one at all. |
Luke 16:8-10 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
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Luke 16:
8And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.
9And I say unto you,
Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness;
that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
10He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
in the Love that makes all faith work in this and the next world,
atoz |
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FFT
Emperor of the Universe
Joined: 26 Mar 2005
Posts: 6096
Location: Memphis
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| Dust wrote: | | Utilizing a dictionary, allows us to see, objectively, the proper meanings and applications of words. |
Defined by the masses, yes. Sorry, I don't particularly trust the masses to understand what atheism actually is. Especially considering those, you know, statistics.
| Dust wrote: | | Specifically, and objectively, atheism is not the belief in one god to the exclusion of all others....thus you improperly apply the term to me. |
Atheism is a lack of belief in God or gods. You lack belief in quite a number of gods, you are in a sense an atheist.
| Dust wrote: | | I have to ask, given the overwhelming results of the statistics I listed earlier, why do you seem to dispute the finding, that atheism is not a normal mind set? |
Because it's retarded. You're trying to say or at least imply that there's something wrong with atheists, which is false. Atheism is not normal in the US, no, but in certain parts of the USA it is. In some other countries it is.
Your statistics are irrelevant.
| Dust wrote: | | I can conceive that some people may actually be atheistic, rather than just professing to be atheist, but I don't think these sort of, shall we say, authentic atheists would be at a bible discussion board....for too long anyway. |
Then you fail. 
| Silver Surfer wrote: | | Atheists will be lost because they failed to ask honestly for God to reveal Himself, to them......which HE WILL DO, if asked with an honest heart to know. |
Not what happened to me.
| Silver Surfer wrote: | | Because Judgment Day, is a VERY BAD time to finally find out, that God exist !!!!! |
Not a particularly convincing argument. Besides, what does it matter when one confesses Jesus' name, exactly?
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Siam
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Joined: 04 Oct 2006
Posts: 633
Location: middle of oz
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | Atheists will be lost because they failed to ask honestly for God to reveal Himself, to them......which HE WILL DO, if asked with an honest heart to know.
Because Judgment Day, is a VERY BAD time to finally find out, that God exist !!!!! |
Oh...And Jesus has stood in front of you S.S. and gone "Hay dude it's me. Put your your finger in my wound."
I am not an athiest, I have a deep belief in "God" (Loving universe) but I can understand athiest's belief in science much more than the belief that:
God is a man and that he sent his son to earth, who by the way, is that same God, even though he talks to a Father, who by the way is God or Jesus, who tells us to love the Lord, who by the way, is him, or the Father or God, who "Died for our sin's" which dosn't mean we are saved because, after hanging around for 7000 plus generations in the sky watching us all kill our selves, we must have "faith" that he exists and those that do he will make a special little place for in the kingdom of heaven, which by the way, we are supposed to make on earth, (I'm sure thats beside the point) while he will send all those non-believers to eternal hell damnation. 
God is all.
Peace.
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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| atoz wrote: |
in the Love that makes all faith work in this and the next world,
atoz |
This life we now live is probationary time....to see where we will spend eternity.
Those who follow each and every commandment God has laid out in the Bible, prove that they are worthy of eternal life, in absolute paradise.
To follow God will at times seem illogical and unreasonable.....and that is the TEST !
EVERYONE must face that test, to be allowed into heaven !
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Dust
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Joined: 10 Sep 2004
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Location: All over the western U.S.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Wow Siam,
Since you put it that way, Im going atheist myself.....hold it! That would be against my nature.....maybe I'll go buddhist, they believe in god....kind-of....don't they?
Naw....I'm Christian. I've heard the good news (the Gospel) and I believe, I can't help it. Maybe my understanding will catch up to my faith one day.
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Siam
Bear Cub
Joined: 04 Oct 2006
Posts: 633
Location: middle of oz
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Dust wrote: | Wow Siam,
Since you put it that way, Im going atheist myself.....hold it! That would be against my nature.....maybe I'll go buddhist, they believe in god....kind-of....don't they?
Naw....I'm Christian. I've heard the good news (the Gospel) and I believe, I can't help it. Maybe my understanding will catch up to my faith one day. |
Peace Dust.
Just remember to Love your neighbor as you love your self...
So love your self.  |
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Dust
Growing Lion
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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Hello FFT,
You mean to tell me, in the face of contrary evidence, you are going to maintain your beliefs?
I guess it's true........What comes around goes around!
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Siam
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Location: middle of oz
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: |
Those who follow each and every commandment God has laid out in the Bible, prove that they are worthy of eternal life, in absolute paradise.
To follow God will at times seem illogical and unreasonable.....and that is the TEST !
EVERYONE must face that test, to be allowed into heaven ! |
And how are you doing with your little test S.S.
Getting straight A's I hope otherwise...
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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Siam wrote: | Just remember to Love your neighbor as you love your self...
So love your self. :D |
Kind of impossible for man/woman to do without God....being that man's basic nature is selfishness.
17:9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it ?
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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Siam wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: |
Those who follow each and every commandment God has laid out in the Bible, prove that they are worthy of eternal life, in absolute paradise.
To follow God will at times seem illogical and unreasonable.....and that is the TEST !
EVERYONE must face that test, to be allowed into heaven ! |
And how are you doing with your little test S.S.
Getting straight A's I hope otherwise...
:twisted: :cry: :x :( :twisted: |
You win some. you lose some.
BUT, it is the ongoing progress towards character perfection that counts in the end....on Judgment Day.
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Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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Siam
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Joined: 04 Oct 2006
Posts: 633
Location: middle of oz
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | Siam wrote: | Just remember to Love your neighbor as you love your self...
So love your self. |
Kind of impossible for man/woman to do without God....being that man's basic nature is selfishness.
17:9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it ? |
God is love...sheesh.
Anyway thats the test your talking about isn't it. To overcome our flaws and move closer to paradise/God/Love.
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Ana
King of the Jungle
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Posts: 1553
Location: BC
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| Dust wrote: |
Without minimizing the actual reasons, I think the sort of professing atheist we would find here is either one who is searching for some sort of validation, one way or the other....OR....is here in pain and/or bitterness, to somewhat subtley lash out, maybe not so subtley, at times. |
This is the sort of thing that supports what I'm saying about not being able to think outside your own little bubble.
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