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tonytony · Tadpole Joined: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 20

People actually believe Romans 7:2-3.
At least 2 people I think here.

Normally I run into people that think a person is a crazy weirdo for taking a stand on this verse as a bible believer.

This is where we'll really see a move of God with real unity in the body of Chirst.

Who actually believes the teaching in 1 Timothy 2:9-14?

Someone made it obvious that they believe in the modesty that Paul talks about in these verses.

Who else does ?

This same person believing in the modesty that Paul talks about in these verses ; is that same person a bible believer in Paul teaching on church leadership in these verses? School me through if you would.

The Timothy book here is where we need unity for a real move of God like never before too.

Normally folks think your a crazy weirdo for bringing up these verses as a bible believer also.

Only people that understand God's people is God's people only.

In reply to the remark made on me. I don't claim to be the wittiest with the book all the time but I'm a 100% bible believer. I believe it's 1 Corinthians 8:2 that states if any man think he know anything he don't know it like he ought to know. Bible believers get grace because of this. At the same time the book of Titus states somewhere that a man that is a heretick after the first and second admonition reject. That means a real sheep of God won't be spiritually blind too long to receive the real truth of God's Word anywhere. I make no claim that people have to believe what I believe to be a Christian or 100% bible believer. I only make the claim that they have to agree with all of God's Word or Holy Spirit to be a Christian or 100% bible believer. This is the unity God has in mind for his people. Either you agree with everything that God has to say about holiness for heaven or you don't. Christians are commissioned to have this unity with others of like faith. The Holy Spirit or Word of God is the only intrepreter for God's people all the time. God's people simply believe 2 Peter 1:20-21. No if ands or buts. The Holy Spirit or Word of God is the only intrepreter of what the bible is saying on any bible verse. Man never has a legal or private intrepretation that counts for holiness to make it to heaven. Who believe all of what Paul is saying in Romans and Timothy just like the Holy Spirit or Word of God is teaching the church today? Christians should be curious who does if they want to obey Amos 3:3 and 2 Corinthians 6:14-17as well as obey Psalms 133:1. Who only agreeing with God here?

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6905 Location: USA

Tony, what in the world are you going on about?

This post reads like someone just walked into the middle of a conversation about people they don't know and events they've never witnessed.

Is there a point?
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Romans 7:2-3 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

Yes, the Bible says that marriage is a lifelong covenant where God joins two into one, and any remarriage therefore is an adulterous affair unless the spouse of covenant has died:

Matthew 5:31-33 "It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE'; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. "Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.'

Matthew 19:4-6 And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."

Mark 10:6-12 "But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. "FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." In the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again. And He *said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery."

Luke 16:15-18 And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of men, but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God. "The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it."But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter of the Law to fail."Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.

1 Corinthians 7:10-13 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife. But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away.

I Corinthians 7:39 A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

I Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

And your other passage;

1 Timothy 2:9-14 Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

This is also true despite the fact that many women who call Him Lord, Lord don't abide by it.

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FoC · Goldfish Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 62

MODS...the following links are solely to keep from bombarding this thread with tons of material and not for any sort of promotion of the site itself.
SE here just keeps reposting the same post over and again all over the web and I really dont have the time to keep retyping my responses...so the links present the refutations to his assertions.
Our site is busy enough, quite honestly, stealing members or promotion here is the last thing on my mind. Smile

FoC · Goldfish Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 62

SealedEternal · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject:

It is an attempt at reviving the "Where are the 100% verse for verse bible believers?" thread that he or she had started previously. Why he or she started a whole new one rather than continuing the old, I do not know, but the person seems to presume that the readers are familiar with the premise of that thread.

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FoC · Goldfish Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 62

Steven3 · Lion King Joined: 10 Jul 2007 Posts: 1205 Location: UK

Hi Tonytony

FoC · Goldfish Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 62

Steven3 · Lion King Joined: 10 Jul 2007 Posts: 1205 Location: UK

Hi FOC
Malachi 2:16 has a number of textual problems:

ESV wrote:

16 “For the man who does not love his wife but divorces her, [1] says the Lord, the God of Israel, covers [2] his garment with violence, says the Lord of hosts. So guard yourselves in your spirit, and do not be faithless.”

Footnotes
[1] 2:16 Hebrew who hates and divorces
[2] 2:16 Probable meaning (compare Septuagint and Deuteronomy 24:1-4); or “The Lord, the God of Israel, says that he hates divorce, and him who covers

The point is that God is able to distinguish between the party initiating divorce (i.e. the man until very recently) and the injured party (traditionally the woman).

Although God did himself force the priests to set aside pagan first-wives, not just second-wives.
God bless
S.
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FoC · Goldfish Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 62

Hi

Im not sure I believe that God hates the divorcer automatically because some divorce for very legitimate causes. If I agree that He hates the putting away/divorce, then that indicates He hates the sin involved itself regardless. In my mind that better represents the tone of Malachi there overall.

You said.

tonytony · Tadpole Joined: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 20