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Steven3
Lion King
Joined: 10 Jul 2007
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Location: UK
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 Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: OT, NT, Quran, Mormon or Urantia Book? |
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Hi Colter,
I'm reading your post below and the Urantia quote that precedes it to believe that because Urantia teaches that Adam and Eve, Melchizedek and then Jesus, were "incarnate" sons of God, pre-existent heavenly beings "made flesh", and that Mohammed is not ranked by Urantia believers as a pre-existent "incarnate" being, that therefore your religion believes that the Quran is even less inspired than the OT and NT? Or is it another process of reasoning??
What is stop myself (as a Bible believing non-Trinitarian Christian) looking at the below and thinking that the bit in red is something in Mohammed's favour and something against William S. Sadler? Surely if we start from a non-Trinitarian position Urantia is less credible than the Quran, not vice-versa.
S.
| Urantia Book wrote: | | P1011:17, 92:6.8 Islam is the religio-cultural connective of North Africa, the Levant, and southeastern Asia. It was Jewish theology in connection with the later Christian teachings that made Islam monotheistic. The followers of Mohammed stumbled at the advanced teachings of the Trinity; they could not comprehend the doctrine of three divine personalities and one Deity. It is always difficult to induce evolutionary minds suddenly to accept advanced revealed truth. Man is an evolutionary creature and in the main must get his religion by evolutionary techniques. |
| Colter wrote: | | Composer wrote: | | If you wish to present passages from this UB well go ahead 'if' you think it has merit let it's content be scrutinised. Do you accept The Book of Mormon? The Koran? etc. etc. if not then what evidence can you provide that makes this UB more credible than other non-biblical text? |
I don't know of any books written by God. I believe that there have been Son(s) of God that have incarnate like Adam and Eve, Melchizedek and then Jesus. I believe that their have been prophets of verging degrees of quality through whom truths were told.
I'm not sure about Mohamed. I don't know if Gabriel worked with him or not. The unfortunate corruption of Jesus' gospel of the kingdom of heaven may have lead to the necessity for the visit of Gabriel but extensive discussion of Mohamed is conspicuously absent in the Fifth Epochal Revelation of the UB.
There were more books of the Bible that were also considered inspired by early believers but they were rejected in the churches attempt to formulate a coherent story. They meant well.
I believe that the OT books were re-written by Judaic priest during the Babylonian captivity making the Jews a miraculous people. It was then that they destroyed all of their secular histories although fragments of pre-Adamic man as well as the ordinary history of the Jews remain in the text.
I believe, and the geologic record proves, that this world has a long pre-Adamic history spanning hundreds of millions of years.
I believe that spectacular truth was revealed to John on Patmos but did not survive intact. |
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Ro6:10 the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.
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FFT
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:55 am Post subject: |
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I really can't get enough of people trying to determine which mythological book is the most valid based on how they interact with each other and not any actual tests for validity.
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Steven3
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Hi FFT | FFT wrote: | | I really can't get enough of people trying to determine which mythological book is the most valid based on how they interact with each other and not any actual tests for validity. |
What would you say the criteria of actual tests were?
S
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Jo5:26 The Father ... has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
Ro6:10 the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.
2Co13:4 he was crucified in weakness, but lives by the power of God. |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
Posts: 4189
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:54 am Post subject: Re: OT, NT, Quran, Mormon or Urantia Book? |
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Steven3 or Colter,
Does the Book of Urantia have a Golden Rule?
All religions with a Golden Rule are Godly as per matthew 7:12, 22:36-40.
with Love and R,
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Christian Surname
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Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:13 am Post subject: |
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All religions with a Golden Rule are Godly as per matthew 7:12, 22:36-40.
I could have some fun with that... |
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Colter
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Joined: 20 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Hi guys, hi Steven,
Sorry, I never saw this thread until today 
| Quote: | Hi Colter,
I'm reading your post below and the Urantia quote that precedes it to believe that because Urantia teaches that Adam and Eve, Melchizedek and then Jesus, were "incarnate" sons of God, pre-existent heavenly beings "made flesh", and that Mohammed is not ranked by Urantia believers as a pre-existent "incarnate" being, that therefore your religion believes that the Quran is even less inspired than the OT and NT? Or is it another process of reasoning??
What is stop myself (as a Bible believing non-Trinitarian Christian) looking at the below and thinking that the bit in red is something in Mohammed's favour and something against William S. Sadler? |
* Mohammed was human and not pre-existent. The same goes for Gautama Siddhartha Lao-tse and Confucius although all of these teachers were influenced by the work of the Salem missionaries of Melchizedek as well as other religions.
Like Jesus, Gautama's teachings were progressively distorted after his death. Gautama originally had a God concept in his religious philosophy.
* Jesus let the "Trinity" or duality genie out of the bottle, we can't undue spiritual existentialism when we consider that he is now sovereign Lord over us. It was not the intent or purpose of Jesus' revelation of God to man to expand upon cosmology or teach Trinitarianism, which as you know, differs in the Urantia Revelation form Christian Trinitarianism.
Colter
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