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Silver Surfer
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Steven3 wrote:
Hi SS
Silver Surfer wrote:
There are things mentioned in the OT, that are NOT mentioned in the NT, which is neccessary for a person to get into heaven.
Well, I sincerely hope that I never go to heaven :P , apart from the selfish-ness of heaven going, it could also potentially rather lonely seeing as Jesus repeatedly stated that his kingdom will be on earth.... :shock:

But that aside, I'm honestly not aware of anything major in the OT not supported/repeated by the NT. Our foundation is the apostles and prophets, yes, but Paul says "apostles and prophets" (Eph2:20), not "prophets first, then apostles".
Who did God use first....prophets or Apostles....to communicates God's will ?
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The NT tells us that the sabbath remains

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Not in my ESV it doesn't. Hebrews 4:9 says that "a sabbath" remains, not "the sabbath". There's a reason for that "a".
Here is why the KJV says.....
4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
4:5 And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest.
4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
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That is why I stay away from most tranlations, because of satan's influence to make subtle changes, to what God means.


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Again, we all know Heb 4:9 says that "there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God" but we need proof that it's the Jewish OT Sabbath.
Please remember that the 7th day sabbath was NEVER Jewish.....as Christ made the sabbath Holy, some 2300+ years BEFORE....there ever was a Jew.

On top of that....the 7th day sabbath was ALWAYS claimed by God, as HIS HOLY DAY.
Therefore the 7th day sabbath is the Lord's day......
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work....."

Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I [am] the LORD that sanctify them.
20:19 I [am] the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:
58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken [it].

I believe that God provided the foundation of the 7th day sabbath in the OT, which carries thru into the NT, as there is no record of God ever changing the Lord's day, to another day.



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The basic point is this :arrow: If "thou shalt not kill" has been upgraded to "thou shalt not say Raca", and all other 9 Commandments are upgraded, then the 4th Commandment should have been upgraded too. How?
God bless
Steven
The 4th commandment, the 7th day sabbath WAS upgraded by the example that Jesus Christ set Himself.

The religious leaders of Christ's day tried to make the 7th day sabbath a burden, of strict observances.
Jesus came to show the true concept of sabbath observance..... 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make [it] honourable.
Thus, Jesus Christ, 'fulfilled the Law'.

His mission was to show mankind the true spiritual and physical aspects, of God's Law of Liberty.
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Silver Surfer
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Steven3 wrote:

The basic point is this :arrow: If "thou shalt not kill" has been upgraded to "thou shalt not say Raca", and all other 9 Commandments are upgraded, then the 4th Commandment should have been upgraded too. How?
God bless
Steven
It was upgraded....as Jesus Christ set forth, for Christians to follow.

The 7th day sabbath is part, of the Gospel message (Revelation 14:6,7)

As pointed out in the Bible.....the 7th day sabbath is the sign of a true Christian relationship, with Jesus Christ (Ezekiel 20:12,20)
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rufus
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Christ, 'end' of the Law.....Means.... Reply with quote
Silver Surfer wrote:
Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
10:4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

I thought I'd add a little context here....to better understand that the word end DOES NOT mean terminate, abolish.

In the Greek, the word, 'end' means.....a goal to attain to, accomplish, destination to strive for.


The word 'end' is 'telos'. Here's the same word in the Septuagint:

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Hear the end (telos) of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments; for this is the whole man.

[Ecclesiastes 12:13]
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Silver Surfer
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Christ, 'end' of the Law.....Means.... Reply with quote
rufus wrote:
Silver Surfer wrote:
Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
10:4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

I thought I'd add a little context here....to better understand that the word end DOES NOT mean terminate, abolish.

In the Greek, the word, 'end' means.....a goal to attain to, accomplish, destination to strive for.


The word 'end' is 'telos'. Here's the same word in the Septuagint:

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Hear the end (telos) of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man.

[Ecclesiastes 12:13]
Very good.
Another example of someone who has studied their Bible, to make things fit together.
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