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holly102869 Fierce Poodle

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 278 Location: Central, Florida USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:17 am Post subject: Has anyone here had a abortion? |
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The Bible says that you should follow the law of the land. Which made me think it was okay to have an abortion. I am here to tell you the law in the USA states it is legal. But is it right? In my opinion it should not be used as a form of birth control. I do feel there are valid reasons to have one. For instance if it is going to put the mothers life at risk. Each case should be carefully inspected before it is done.
I personally have had an abortion. I was 27 divorced and my x-husband had tricked me into letting him have my 2 sons. I got pregnant with another man who one did not want another child and I was afraid that because the father was of another race that my X-husband would keep me from seeing my sons. My closest friend talked me into the abortion due to my situtation. At the moment it was done, I knew that it was wrong. I could not handle it. For several years, getting remarried and having 2 bueatiful daughters, I still had trouble forgiving myself. This guilt ran my life. I knew that if I asked God he would forgive me, but how do you forgive yourself. I talked to therapist (they asked me how I could do it), church leaders (They said have faith), These answers were not good enough, they did not help.
I prayed and prayed and prayed, and finally God put a lady in my path to help. Her name was Barbara and I told her my story. She told me to go into a quite place and hold this baby, talk to it and name it, Which I named her Sonia, and after I have spent time with her and could really feel her then I needed to hand her over to God. I did all of these things she suggested, understand I was willing to try anything. At the moment I handed her to God I felt such a sense of peace. I knew that it worked and that Barbara was sent by God to help me. God does hear all of us but you have to not only ask you have to seek and then knock. He will help us all.
My biggest concern is what Abortion has done to us as a society. It has made us hard hearted. If you don't want something just throw it away. What are we teaching are children? Not to take responsability for are actions but to delete the problems in there lives. The only person that can save anyone is you and your faith of God through the name of Jesus Christ. Yes Abortion is legal and we need to make sure that we are able and aware of what we are doing. You need to do what you feel is right not for anybody else. If you don't want to do this, DON'T ever let anyone talk you into it. You have to live with what you do!!!!!
God bless you all.
I hope my story helps anyone in the same situtation. |
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atoz Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 4189
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone here had a abortion? |
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| holly102869 wrote: | ...I prayed and prayed and prayed, and finally God put a lady in my path to help. Her name was Barbara and I told her my story. She told me to go into a quite place and hold this baby, talk to it and name it, Which I named her Sonia, and after I have spent time with her and could really feel her then I needed to hand her over to God. I did all of these things she suggested, understand I was willing to try anything. At the moment I handed her to God I felt such a sense of peace. I knew that it worked and that Barbara was sent by God to help me. God does hear all of us but you have to not only ask you have to seek and then knock. He will help us all.
My biggest concern is what Abortion has done to us as a society. It has made us hard hearted. ....God bless you all.
I hope my story helps anyone in the same situtation. |
Hi Holly,
Inspiring story about how you were comforted by God thru barbara re. Sonia! She is with God!
Now do you think that abortion causes hard-heartedness?
Or, is it that hardheartedness which causes abortion?
I think that the hard-heartedness of Hate for anyone or for anything causes the first abortion: The Abortion of Love,
which aborting of Love then leads to physical abortion, which physical abortion leads to more Hate, which leads to more abortion of Love, which leads to more physical abprtion, ad infinitum is the vicious circle or cycle of hard-hearted Hate.
What do you think of miscarraige?
Is that a sin?
Or, is a natural thing that happens as designed by God?
And if miscarriage is designed by God, then is miscarriage divine abortion?
Hope you don't mind me asking.
with all Godly Love and Respect,
atoz |
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holly102869 Fierce Poodle

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 278 Location: Central, Florida USA
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:55 am Post subject: |
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I Personally have been with child 8 times. I have 4 children, 3 misscarriages and the one abortion. When I got pregnant the first time I had a misscarriage. Everyone told me that God knew I wasn't ready to have a child. In fact I was pregnant with twins and only lost one. I didn't find this out at the time but 3 months later. The doctor didn't tell me because he thought the stress of lossing the one might result in the loss of the other.
I don't really think that God gives a devine abortion. If he did that then wouldn't he do that for all of those people who don't want children and what about the ones who want them and can't carry them full term. Are we really going to say that God won't give them one for some reason and gives all these other people children who don't want them. I don't think so. I think the human race has played a large roll in this problem. The chemical we breath in and comsume into our bodies. I think our bodies are more complicated than we will ever know and there could be a number of reasons to loose a child. We have to remember that God is a loving God not a God of anger and spite.
On the other note I guess that hardheartness had to come first and continues to get worse and worse. Man twist Gods laws and makes bad things okay.
Holly |
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ChristianWoman1 Fierce Poodle

Joined: 22 May 2008 Posts: 290
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 3:10 am Post subject: |
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wow..thank you for sharing Holly. I pray that your trial gets to those ears that need to hear it
so may people just don't realize that abortion doesn't just end at the clinic ...in fact, it's only the beginning.
God bless you... _________________ ____________________
Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think.
ROMANS 12:2 |
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P1234567890 Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 11 Mar 2006 Posts: 7633 Location: Victoria, Canada
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone here had a abortion? |
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| holly102869 wrote: | | My closest friend talked me into the abortion due to my situtation. At the moment it was done, I knew that it was wrong. I could not handle it. For several years, getting remarried and having 2 bueatiful daughters, I still had trouble forgiving myself. This guilt ran my life. I knew that if I asked God he would forgive me, but how do you forgive yourself. I talked to therapist (they asked me how I could do it), church leaders (They said have faith), These answers were not good enough, they did not help. |
Hi Holly,
I don't think that you should have felt badly. You didn't do anything wrong. You didn't do anything immoral. _________________ "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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holly102869 Fierce Poodle

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 278 Location: Central, Florida USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for that. But I did, I listened to people and not to God. I followed humans and not the laws of God. What I did was wrong and I can justify it in many ways but it is still wrong. I know that God has forgiven me and I have come to peace within myself. It is not so much the act of abortion as it is not following God and letting immoral people take power in my life. I still have a long way to go but I will get there. _________________ Bless you,
Holly
Ask,Seek,Knock
For only you can Save yourself. |
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P1234567890 Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 11 Mar 2006 Posts: 7633 Location: Victoria, Canada
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| holly102869 wrote: | | Thanks for that. But I did, I listened to people and not to God. I followed humans and not the laws of God. What I did was wrong and I can justify it in many ways but it is still wrong. I know that God has forgiven me and I have come to peace within myself. It is not so much the act of abortion as it is not following God and letting immoral people take power in my life. I still have a long way to go but I will get there. |
How do you know that God thinks abortions are wrong?
There's nothing in the Bible which says that abortions are wrong. In fact, there's nothing in the Bible which even lets us infer that abortions are wrong.
I really believe that you didn't do anything wrong, either morally or scripturally. _________________ "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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Micah5:2 Newbie Alert

Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 3 Location: Fort Wayne
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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I don't mean to be a simpleton, or come off as condescending, but it seems like "Thou Shalt Not Murder" covers it? _________________ But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was
bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isaiah 53:5 |
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P1234567890 Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 11 Mar 2006 Posts: 7633 Location: Victoria, Canada
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Micah5:2 wrote: | | I don't mean to be a simpleton, or come off as condescending, but it seems like "Thou Shalt Not Murder" covers it? |
For that to apply, you first have to be able to argue that a human fetus is a person. The heart of the matter is when ensoulment happens. The Bible does not state when ensoulment happens. In fact, there is even a verse which suggests that it happens when a person takes their first breath.
Historically, great Christian thinkers have not been opposed to abortion. Many believed that the soul enters the body at the time of the 'quickening', which is when the fetus starts to move around.
Most abortions are carried out well before that time.
Here is a history of the ensoulment issue in Christianity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensoulment
So to get back to your question, the answer is no, it isn't a simple issue of issuing a commandment. _________________ "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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holly102869 Fierce Poodle

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 278 Location: Central, Florida USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Open your heart and minds and you can know the truth of right and wrong. In my heart I knew it was wrong.
Other people may not think it is wrong and the are right it is for them _________________ Bless you,
Holly
Ask,Seek,Knock
For only you can Save yourself. |
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P1234567890 Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 11 Mar 2006 Posts: 7633 Location: Victoria, Canada
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| holly102869 wrote: | Open your heart and minds and you can know the truth of right and wrong. In my heart I knew it was wrong.
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This could easily have been because people around you said that abortion wrong. It could easily be that people made you feel bad.
Instead of listening to people, you should listen to scripture. And there is nothing in the Bible which says that abortions are wrong. _________________ "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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holly102869 Fierce Poodle

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 278 Location: Central, Florida USA
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: |
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you are wrong I had the abortion because I listened to others. I felt it wrong inside me. Everyone around me said I had done nothing wrong. It really had nothing to do with anyone but me, the guilt consumed me. I think that if you have faith God will let you know when you have done wrong. _________________ Bless you,
Holly
Ask,Seek,Knock
For only you can Save yourself. |
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P1234567890 Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 11 Mar 2006 Posts: 7633 Location: Victoria, Canada
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| holly102869 wrote: | | you are wrong I had the abortion because I listened to others. I felt it wrong inside me. Everyone around me said I had done nothing wrong. It really had nothing to do with anyone but me, the guilt consumed me. I think that if you have faith God will let you know when you have done wrong. |
You're not open to the possibility that the culture in which you grew up colored your opinion towards abortion, and that deep down this is why you thought it was wrong?
By the way, where did you grow up? Did you go to church a lot? Did the preachers talk about abortion? What did they say? _________________ "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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holly102869 Fierce Poodle

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 278 Location: Central, Florida USA
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: |
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I grew up in Nashville Tennessee and I went to church when my parents wern't fighting. Which was a few times a year. My mother was a nurse and father was a studio musician. Money was as a God in this house. I don't remember any talk about abortion in church. Although, when I was a child it was not a common use of birth control like it is today.
I believe that culture in this day and age has changed alot for example today everything is sexual or violence. These are the things we are teaching our children. We as a culture justify everything we do. Like abortion it is not wrong because it does not have a heartbeat yet or it can't live outside the womb so it is not murder. Does that really ring true in your heart. It doesn't in mine not anymore.
I hate to say it but a lie is still a lie. You can't justify it out of being a lie. You can justify why you lied but never out of it being a lie.
I would never tell someone that abortion is wrong for them because they are not me. The more I dig in to how to gain my salvation the more I see how wrong I was in the past.
My salvation is going to be based on how and what I believe. Everyone in the world is going to be judged on how and what they believe. But fore the most part I am trying to follow the 10 commandments. _________________ Bless you,
Holly
Ask,Seek,Knock
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P1234567890 Emperor of the Universe

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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| holly102869 wrote: | Money was as a God in this house.
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I believe that culture in this day and age has changed alot for example today everything is sexual or violence.
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I completely agree with you that the worship of money is a major problem in the modern world, and the widespread depiction of sex and violence in our society has harmed it greatly.
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Like abortion it is not wrong because it does not have a heartbeat yet or it can't live outside the womb so it is not murder. Does that really ring true in your heart. It doesn't in mine not anymore. |
Let me explain to you why I think that there is nothing wrong with abortions, especially during the first trimester:
Science has shown very conclusively that during this time, a human embryo does not have a nervous system which is capable of feeling pain. It is not capable of suffering at all. There is also no reason to believe that it has a soul.
I am willing to entertain the argument that if an abortion is performed after the fetus's nervous system has developed sufficiently to feel pain, then that could be wrong because it can cause suffering. But as far as I know, this does not describe your circumstances.
I think that in any objective way, we visit more suffering onto the world every time we swat a fly or kill an animal in order to eat it than we do when a woman aborts an embryo.
And on top of the scientific arguments, there isn't any scripture which says otherwise. _________________ "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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