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knuckle
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Hi MSW-----------
we have heard from Paul now lets hear from Peter----Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
hmmm----women filled with the Holy Spirit?Hand maidens prophesying?That can't be right, can it?Can I get a second witness?Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joel 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.Wow two witnesses!! Pretty much settles it for me.
Sister,if God has poured His Spirit out on you How can one not comply?
If your church commands you to be silent then climb up on the rooftop and shout it out for the world to hear.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.
much love--------knuckle |
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jesschat
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| Quote: | | So what if you think God is leading you to become a pastor. There are woman pastors out there and you certainly cannot disregard what the Lord is telling you. |
I think if you are lead to teach the word of G-d, you should teach it! Maybe its not that G-d is calling you to be a pastor, but maybe you should try teaching teen girls. Without the women leaders in my life, I would not have become a christian. It is the christian women I know who keep me close to G-d reminding me that G-d is always here for me and I have to have a relationship with Him in order to grow spiritually. |
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Nobby
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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jesschat, good post, I agree with you!
Welcome to our group! You should go & introduce yourself at our Introduction forum. 
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bitterlily
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| MakeShiftWings wrote: | | I have felt that I am being called do the Service of God for a long time. I have the words repeating in my head to Spread the Word...I have looking into Missions but somehow I feel that bible college is the way for me. |
Hi MakeShiftWings,
I have had a similar experience as you and the scripture that used to always give me an emotional spanking was the one about the unfaithful servant who hid the Lord's money in the ground. The Spirit within me testified that I was this unfaithful servant but that didn't stop me from burying it for the last 8 years. All the verses about women in the church are what kept me bound all these years. But in recent times those verses were finally put to rest for me, and it seems as though this is happening for some other women on this forum.
Lone-Traveler has written a good post on this here.
Sandra3102 has written another one here.
(Hope the authors don't mind me sharing these)
And I wrote one here.
| MakeShiftWings wrote: | I believe that in becoming a pastor or some religious standing I am submiting to Gods will. It isnt nessisarily that I am drawn myself to becoming a pastor. Actually I find it kind of scary to stand up infront of people and talk about God...But what if God is telling me to.
Hope some of that makes sence |
It sure makes sense to me. Although a Pastor was never something I felt called to I had considered Bible college but one thing that was very obvious to me is that none of it would have done me any good if the Lord didn't help me overcome my phobia of talking to people face to face OR He didn't show me a way that I could spread the word without face to face contact. I knew as long as things stayed the same I was just going to carry on hiding the Lord's money. Well I believe the Lord provided a way for me through this forum. As long as we are not standing on a pulpit, most members here don't seem to mind if they learn something from a woman. And thankfully that verse that used to give me a good spanking is no longer burning in my bones.
| Quote: | | But the anointing that you have received from him abides in you, and you need not that anyone teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you about all things, and is truth, and is no lie, so just as it teaches you, abide in him. And now, little children, abide in him; so that when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. 1Jn 2:27-28 |
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theseldomscene
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yes...too bad so many failed to read where JESUS told HIS dicsiples HE would not longer speak to them in parables but would from a short time forward tell them plainly what HE wanted them to know...
so gal is not a parable...nor is 1 tim....nor is 1 cor....
| sandra wrote: | Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
God is speaking in parables:(parabole= a similitude..i.e...fictious narative...)... |
that time has passed for those in HIM...  ...
john 16:22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again(after the resurrection), and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.
23And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
24Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
25These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs(paroimia=enigmatical or fictitious illustration...parable...proverb....): but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. (the epistles to the n.t. church are not written in proverbs but are under the 'plain' directions of the FATHER)...
26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
for two...read job and the whole context of gal. to get a better idea of what is being discussed there in gal... |
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bitterlily
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | yes...too bad so many failed to read where JESUS told HIS dicsiples HE would not longer speak to them in parables but would from a short time forward tell them plainly what HE wanted them to know... |
Hi Seldom,
If this is true then why does Jesus finish the NT with the book of Revelations, speaking to John (and us) in Parables?
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In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water. Joh 7:37-38
As a lily among thorns, So is my love among the daughters. Son 2:2 |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:39 am Post subject: |
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The Revelation is not a parable, it is a vision.
Revelation 1:1-2 [THIS IS] the revelation of Jesus Christ [His unveiling of the divine mysteries]. God gave it to Him to disclose and make known to His bond servants certain things which must shortly and speedily come to pass in their entirety. And He sent and communicated it through His angel (messenger) to His bond servant John, (2) Who has testified to and vouched for all that he saw [in his visions], the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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bitterlily
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| RevJP wrote: | | The Revelation is not a parable, it is a vision. |
Hi RevJP,
I would call it a visual parable because clearly the things being described are not plain speech but types and shadows of the true images (parables).
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In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water. Joh 7:37-38
As a lily among thorns, So is my love among the daughters. Son 2:2 |
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RevJP
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Parable
PAR'ABLE, n. [L. parabilis.] Easily procured. [Not used.]
PAR'ABLE, n. [L. parabola; Gr. to throw forward or against, to compare to or against; as in confero, collatum, to set together, or one thing with another.] A fable or allegorical relation or representation of something real in life or nature, from which a moral is drawn for instruction; such as the parable of the trees choosing a king, Judg 9; the parable of the poor man and his lamb. 2 Sam 12; the parable of the ten virgins, Mat 25.
PAR'ABLE, v.t. To represent by fiction or fable.
Vision
VI'SION, n. s as z. [L. visio, from video, visus.]
1. The act of seeing external objects; actual sight.
Faith here is turned into vision there.
2. The faculty of seeing; sight. Vision is far more perfect and acute in some animals than in man.
3. Something imagined to be seen, though not real; a phantom; a specter.
No dreams, but visions strange.
4. In Scripture, a revelation from God; an appearance or exhibition of something supernaturally presented to the minds of the prophets, by which they were informed of future events. Such were the visions of Isaiah, of Amos, of Ezekiel, &c.
5. Something imaginary; the production of fancy.
6. Any thing which is the object of sight.
By definition, The Revelation was a vision, not a parable. It was not allegorical or a fable, it was a revelation from God of that which is to come, presented to John.
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bitterlily
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I can see the difference you are making between vision and parable but what you seem to have overlooked is that during that vision John was also spoken to in parables. Hear is an example:
| Quote: | | Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev 3:17-22 |
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In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water. Joh 7:37-38
As a lily among thorns, So is my love among the daughters. Son 2:2 |
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MoJo
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:49 am Post subject: |
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Num 24:3 And he took up his parable, and said, Balaam the son of Beor hath said, and the man whose eyes are open hath said:
Num 24:4 He hath said, which heard the words of God, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling [into a trance], but having his eyes open:
It would seem that a vision does not necessarily mean it can be understood plainly by all who read. Here we have a combination of a vision spoken in a parable.
Seems to me that Revelation falls into that category. And this needs to be true unless you take the position that Jesus and his Father are **revealed** by the simple act of just reading Revelation.
Revelation means reveal.
Mat 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].
So, IMHO, you either have to take the position that the NT is plain to anybody who reads it (including the unbelievers) or that it has deeper meanings which are only revealed to whom the Son chooses to reveal them.
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RevJP
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The question as I've seen it is this:
Is The Revelation a parable or is it John's recording of a vision he received from God? I will not argue that there are not, or cannot be, parables in The Revelation, but the question I addressed remains; is The Revelation a vision or a parable? I say it is a vision.
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MoJo
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Of course it's a vision, but I'm not sure we're debating anything important here if all we're trying to do is define the difference. Vision or parable, they require interpretation which is only revealed to the reader by God. Vision might lean more to prophecy whereas a parable uses things that are of common knowledge in it's illustration and that may be the difference.
But, it seems obvious to me that the NT also has deeper meanings than what's on the surface. If it didn't, we would all agree on interpretation of everything. It seems very odd to me that anyone **could** take the stand that everything is plain, given the evidence of this forum alone; which evidence should show that not everything is made plain to everybody. So the caveat was in tss's post;
| Quote: | | HE would not longer speak to them in parables but would from a short time forward tell them plainly **what HE wanted them to know** |
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theseldomscene
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the revelation is not a parable...oh no maam....it is the revelation...not the mystery....
it is the key that unlocks the door of the mystery....
it is no parable or mystery... ....the problem comes when some try to decifer the revelation with the word, or with the world...instead of using it to decifer the word....it is a book of literal symbols...no parables though...
it is the key that unlocks the prophets and the law and the gospels.... .....
a parable can be very prophetic...like the prodigal son for example....
but the epistles are definitely to be taking in a deeper sense...but any who take that sense to the point where they maintain it says in the deeper sense the opposite of what it plainly says....
then there is a problem...and i am not so convinced that it is hard to understand...in the church a woman is not to teach a man....so there is no way to erase that...so we dance around to make it mean the opposite...
that is confusion and there is no way any can show that is the intent of pauls letter that he meant the opposite of what he is saying...
maybe he meant the opposite when he said husbands love your wives...maybe there is a way we can squirm around that.... ...
this is plain teaching...what pqaart of in the church a woman is not to teach or exercise authority over a man does any here truly not understand?...
and the FATHER told us plain what HE wanted when paul wrote the line...
no...the revelation is in no way a parable...nor is it written like a parable...nor are the epistles... |
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MoJo
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Don't call me maam................ 
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