Is this thought scriptural

YLTYLT · Ferret Joined: 06 Apr 2007 Posts: 120

I have recently come across a new idea (at least new to me). I was wondering if it sounds scriptural.

The idea is that prior to the birth of Jesus, The son was spirit only, except for the times in the OT when He manifested Himself to be seen as a man.

But that after His resurrection, His physical nature was that of always being in a glorified body for the rest of eternity.

The reasoning that I heard about this thought is that to pay the eternal wage for our sins, there must be an eternal payment and that His death on the cross was just the closing of the contractual agreement.

Where Jesus is on the cross, and said, "It is finished", was saying that the contract was completed and could not be changed. But the Son would still have a different existence for the rest of eternity.

I am not sure what to believe about this idea. I do not see any glaring problems with it. If it is true, then it would cause me to love Jesus even more, because his sacrifice was an eternal one, greater than anyone can even possibly imagine.

Mind I am not saying that this would in any way change His position as the second person of the Trinity. But there seems to be some change in the relationship between the Father and the Son, after the 1000 years reign of Christ according to 1 Cor 15:28.

nana · Bear Cub Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 625

Greetings Y,

I believe that you are right.

II Corinthians 5:14-16, "For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more."

Not only is Christ not to be known in the flesh but we arn't either!

In Christ, Judy

bitterlily · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Is this thought scriptural

knuckle · Young Wolf Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 501

Hi Y-----------

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

How much of the glory of the resurrected body did Jesus show?Apparently there was much more to it than meets the eye.He could appear and vanish through locked doors(the upper room),He could change His appearance so that He was not recognized(the road to Emmaus) and Mary thinking He was the gardener.

Jesus talked about "the glory He had before" If we read the account of Moses wanting to view the Lord in all His glory--Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Moses was allowed to see only His hind parts as He passed by.Moses had to veil his own face afterward because it shined so after viewing the Lord.

I humbly submit that Lazarus did not receive this type of body,but that Christ restored his still corruptible flesh body he was born with .

Was Jesus in a "Flesh" body after His resurrection?

Jesus ate and drank after being resurrected true and the Disciples touched Him.He also ate and drank with Abraham when He came to Judge Sodom.This also was not in ALL His glory but rather in a form that would be safe for Abraham and Sarah to see.

We are told that we will be like Him at our resurrection So if Christ's resurrected body was actually a return to the glory He had before and we are to receive this exact type of glorious body shouldn't we be looking at Christ in the OT to see exactly what it is capable of?That it can take human form or become a whirlwind of fire at will?It eats and drinks but also walks through solid walls and can vanish into nothing?That this body has the ability to walk upon the earth and ascend into heaven to be with the Father?

Exactly how much like Him are we going to be?

much love------------knuckle

bitterlily · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:21 am Post subject:

Good points there Knuckles.
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As a lily among thorns, So is my love among the daughters. Son 2:2

MoJo · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject:

This is a question that pops to mind; Flesh and **blood** cannot inherit the kingdom of God, but can flesh and bone? Just pondering.

Very Happy

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bitterlily · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject:

MoJo · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject:

Hi Lily, thanx for the reply, but it doesn't really answer the question.

I think the scriptures teach that we will literally inherit the earth, so we will have a body of some sort.

Very Happy

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matt 6: 34 "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

bitterlily · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: