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holly102869
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Joined: 26 Jul 2007
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Location: Central, Florida USA
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 Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:17 am Post subject: I am new and wanting to learn |
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Hi I am Holly and I am from Nashville, TN I am having trouble finding the truth on what to believe. All of my Family are Catholic. My husband from birth and the rest of my family Mother and brother have been for several years. I am not sure that I believe all the things that they want me to believe. My father who passed away 2 years ago did not believe in organized religion, but did believe in God. I need help to find my way on the right path. I know we all believe in the same God and Jesus but, other than that so much other stuff is different.
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mahalkita
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Joined: 07 Jul 2007
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Location: Missouri
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:30 am Post subject: |
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hey holly... welcome to the boards.... hope you find the answers you are looking for
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graphicsguy
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Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Hi Holly, welcome,
I am learning for myself that belief is an entirely personal thing. You can read and hear all the doctrinal debating or even all the debating to if God even exists and no matter what it comes down to what you are willing to accept for yourself.
Nobody can force you to believe what they believe nor should they guilt you into belief. If you believe only because "they" believe then your faith is based on...nothing.
Many on this board (and a thousand others on the internet) will tell you that they know the way to the "right path". However, I would strongly advise you to take a skeptic's mindset to anything you read or hear. |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: Re: I am new and wanting to learn |
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Hi Holly,
welcome.
key is: go slow and believe no thing until and unless you prove it, and believe nothing before you prove it:
2 Corinthians 13:5
5 ... prove your own selves. ....
1 Thessalonians 5:21
21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
This is a very good site.
in love and respect,
atoz, an honorary catholic |
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Nobby
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Location: Missouri
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Holly, welcome to our group!
Glad to have you! 
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dez33333
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Joined: 26 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: hey holly! |
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i'm kinda new to all this myself, but i too was raised catholic and am surrounded by catholics. but i never got anything from the services either. they seem so choreographed and i feel like a lemming. however, THERE IS NO RIGHT RELIGION. if there were, it would be in the bible. all you can do is try to find a church that you get the most from. a church where you feel the Holy Spirit and where you feel like you belong. and no matter what denomination you settle on, you probably won't agree with EVERYTHING about it. really, all you can do is pray about it and ask God to show you which church to call home. i believe He will let you know in your heart when you've found it.
good luck and God bless! |
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atoz
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Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: hey holly! |
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| dez33333 wrote: |
THERE IS NO RIGHT RELIGION. |
atoz: So true.
And of course,
there being no right religion means that all religions are right.
In the Religion of Love that makes all religions right and makes not *one* religion right,
atoz |
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pastor2022
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Joined: 07 Dec 2006
Posts: 768
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| Welcome here and hope you enjoy it. Will be praying for you as you seek the truth for yourself. May God direct you in your search. |
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MoJo
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:31 am Post subject: |
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hello Holly. Welcome to the board.
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matt 6: 34 "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." |
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theseldomscene
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Joined: 17 Mar 2005
Posts: 7817
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: hey holly! |
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welcome holly...
| atoz wrote: | | dez33333 wrote: |
THERE IS NO RIGHT RELIGION. |
atoz: So true.
And of course,
there being no right religion means that all religions are right.
In the Religion of Love that makes all religions right and makes not *one* religion right,
atoz |
james 1:27 pure religion and undefiled before GOD and the FATHER is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their afflictin, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
Posts: 4189
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: hey holly! |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | welcome holly...
| atoz wrote: | | dez33333 wrote: |
THERE IS NO RIGHT RELIGION. |
atoz: So true.
And of course,
there being no right religion means that all religions are right.
In the Religion of Love that makes all religions right and makes not *one* religion right,
atoz |
james 1:27 pure religion and undefiled before GOD and the FATHER is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their afflictin, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. |
James 1:27 means:
Pure religion and undefiled before GOD and the FATHER is this:
to love with perfectly pure Love, that is, Love without any defilement of Hatred, all people and their opposites:
fatherless and fathered,
widows and those with living spouses, Mt 5:45, 48:
Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you,
Love your [friends and your] enemies,
bless them that bless you and] curse you,
do good [in love] to them that [love you and] hate you,
and pray [in Love] for them which [kindly use you and in Love for them who] despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:
for he maketh his sun to rise [in Love] on the evil and on the good,
and sendeth rain [in Love] on the just and on the unjust.
48Be ye therefore perfect [with prefectly pure Love],
even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect [with perfect & pure Love].
and then,
in that pure Love,
to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction,
and
in that Love to keep himself unspotted from ANY SPOT OF the defilement of HATRED that is IN the world.
Job 36:5
Behold, God is mighty, and despiseth not any:
he is mighty in strength and wisdom.
Titus 1: 15 Unto the pure all things are pure:
but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
In God's Right Religion of Love that makes all religions and the religion of NO religion right,
atoz |
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theseldomscene
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Joined: 17 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: hey holly! |
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funny how one can do nothing but quote qa verse and the hate of another takes it as a threat and resorts to trying to make the bible argue against itself in order to look right...sad..  .
[quote="atoz"] | theseldomscene wrote: | welcome holly...
| atoz wrote: | | dez33333 wrote: |
THERE IS NO RIGHT RELIGION. |
atoz: So true.
And of course,
there being no right religion means that all religions are right.
In the Religion of Love that makes all religions right and makes not *one* religion right,
atoz |
james 1:27 pure religion and undefiled before GOD and the FATHER is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their afflictin, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. |
| Quote: | James 1:27 means:
Pure religion and undefiled before GOD and the FATHER is this:
to love with perfectly pure Love, that is, Love without any defilement of Hatred, all people and their opposites:
fatherless and fathered,
widows and those with living spouses, Mt 5:45, 48: |
rewrting the verse huh?...whatever it takes to make your doctrine stand i guess...  ...
| Quote: | Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you,
Love your [friends and your] enemies,
bless them that bless you and] curse you,
do good [in love] to them that [love you and] hate you,
and pray [in Love] for them which [kindly use you and in Love for them who] despitefully use you, and persecute you; |
yes....
| Quote: | 45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:
for he maketh his sun to rise [in Love] on the evil and on the good,
and sendeth rain [in Love] on the just and on the unjust.
48Be ye therefore perfect [with prefectly pure Love],
even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect [with perfect & pure Love]. |
close and part of but not quite complete sir or maam or both...would you like to know more?...it is untiy....unity in love that is perfection...
| Quote: | and then,
in that pure Love,
to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction,
and
in that Love to keep himself unspotted from ANY SPOT OF the defilement of HATRED that is IN the world. |
no sir...that is not what it says...
| Quote: | | In God's Right Religion of Love that makes all religions and the religion of NO religion right, |
so you are saying it is wrong to look after the orphans and widows?...sad... |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
Posts: 4189
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: hey holly! |
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| theseldomscene wrote: |
...it is untiy....unity in love that is perfection...
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atoz:
Excellent A minus, tss!
Just a slight course correction which correction you will LOVE since you love being correct, right? and that correction will get you an Excellent A plus! smile
Because Love is unconditional,
Matt 5:43-48, Phil 4:11-13,
Love perfectly loves both conditions of unity and disunity,
and therefore,
it is the Unity of Love for both unity and disunity, for both the united & the disunited that is perfection.
It is the Perfection of The Unity of Love
that puts *unity in Love* and therefore makes unity doubly united,
and
that puts *disunity in Love* and so makes even disunity united as in e pluribus unum or as in unity in diversity.
This similar pattern of God is easily seen in His Love for both weakness and strength: 2 Corin 12:9-10:
God's Strength of Love is made perfectly strong when and because God or Love loves both weakness and strengh,
which is why and how
even when weak,
we are weak in Love and so still Love-strong,
and when strong,
we are strong in Love and so doubly strong.
2 Corinthians 12:
9And he said unto me,
My grace is sufficient for thee:
for my strength is made perfect in weakness.
[Just as God's Unity of Love is made perfect in disunity when God loves both strength and weakness, th strong and the weak.]
Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10Therefore I take pleasure
in infirmities,
in reproaches,
in necessities,
in persecutions,
in distresses for Christ's sake:
for when I am weak, then am I strong.
See you at the Orphanage of Love!
In the Perfect Parenthood of Love that makes God both the Father of Orphans and the Father of Widows,
atoz |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: hey holly! |
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| atoz wrote: | [ | Quote: | quote="theseldomscene"]
...it is untiy....unity in love that is perfection...
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atoz:
Excellent A minus, tss!
Just a slight course correction which correction you will LOVE since you love being correct, right? |
fine by me...but i can tell already that you have went astray in your correction of me... ...poor you...
| Quote: | | and that correction will get you an Excellent A plus! smile |
please stop the unnecessaries...
| Quote: | Because Love is unconditional,
Matt 5:43-48, Phil 4:11-13 |
neither of those places say love is unconditional atoz...please read what it saysand stop rewriting it,..
| Quote: | | Love perfectly loves both conditions of unity and disunity, |
WRONG!!! GOD is love and HE hates trhe sower of discord among the brethern!!!...d minus for you!!!
| Quote: | | it is the Unity of Love for both unity and disunity, for both the united & the disunited that is perfection. |
wrong again...read john 17...and stop babbling..
| Quote: | It is the Perfection of The Unity of Love
that puts *unity in Love* and therefore makes unity doubly united,
and
that puts *disunity in Love* and so makes even disunity united as in e pluribus unum or as in unity in diversity. |
wrong again...it puts unity in perfection and puts disunity in perfection for it shows the heresies among us, such as loving satan, that reveals those who love the truth when they reject such silliness...
| Quote: | This similar pattern of God is easily seen in His Love for both weakness and strength: 2 Corin 12:9-10:
God's Strength of Love is made perfectly strong when and because God or Love loves both weakness and strengh,
which is why and how
even when weak,
we are weak in Love and so still Love-strong, |
bippity boppity boo!!!...please get back to the subject...these long winded side trails do nothing to support your ...stuff...
| Quote: | 2 Corinthians 12:
9And he said unto me,
My grace is sufficient for thee:
for my strength is made perfect in weakness.
[Just as God's Unity of Love is made perfect in disunity when God loves both strength and weakness, th strong and the weak.] |
completely a pererted teaching...and totally off...
| Quote: | Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10Therefore I take pleasure
in infirmities,
in reproaches,
in necessities,
in persecutions,
in distresses for Christ's sake:
for when I am weak, then am I strong.
See you at the Orphanage of Love! |
no sir...those in him have been adopted...which again shows your false teachings. |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:43 am Post subject: Re: hey holly! |
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| theseldomscene wrote: |
close and part of but not quite complete sir or maam or both...would you like to know more?...it is untiy....unity in love that is perfection...
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You're getting it!
A double ++ for effort!
Here is the shorter version for you to practice with for your day-time assignment:
It is untiy..unity in love FOR DISUNITY that is perfection!
OR
It is disuntiy..dis-unity in love for unity that is perfection!
References:
Matt 5:43-48:
Perfection is
friends in Love of enemies,
the good in Love of the bad,
the just in Love of the unjust,...
lovers in love of haters,....
getting the pattern? 
In perfect Love for the perfect and the imperfect,
atoz |
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