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StElsewhere
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 Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:57 am Post subject: Pre-Tribs:What Does To Make War With The Saints mean? |
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Anyone believing in a magical "rapture" must totally disregard these 3 scriptures to get to that rapture...
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev.13:7 very clearly states that the devil will be given power to make war with the Saints...Not in parable...but straight and very direct!...
Question: Why would the LORD say His Saints will be at war...and then remove them from the battlefield?
Can some pre-triber answer this question for this most unlearned servant?  |
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45degreeN
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One explanation I've heard is that there are some "tribulation saints" who against all odds gain faith during the tribulation and those saints are the ones who Satan goes to war with.
Which of course has nothing at all to say about the rapture itself.
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StElsewhere
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:47 am Post subject: |
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| 45degreeN wrote: | One explanation I've heard is that there are some "tribulation saints" who against all odds gain faith during the tribulation and those saints are the ones who Satan goes to war with.
Which of course has nothing at all to say about the rapture itself. |
There is no rapture...there will be no rapture...when your magical disappearance act fails...I hope you have a Plan "B"  |
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Schuckdaddy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| StElsewhere wrote: | | 45degreeN wrote: | One explanation I've heard is that there are some "tribulation saints" who against all odds gain faith during the tribulation and those saints are the ones who Satan goes to war with.
Which of course has nothing at all to say about the rapture itself. |
There is no rapture...there will be no rapture...when your magical disappearance act fails...I hope you have a Plan "B" |
StE, I think 45 was offering a explanation for his view. Why not respond to his explanation rather than reassert what you already claimed. BTW I don't believe in a rapture either, but that doesn't excuse poor argumentation. |
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Nobby
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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StElsewhere, if you miss plan A plan B will be to late! 
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | StE, I think 45 was offering a explanation for his view. |
Actually, I think 45 was offering an explanation for A view, not necessarily his, but the POV which generated elsewhere's rant.
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StElsewhere
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:27 am Post subject: |
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| Schuckdaddy wrote: | | StElsewhere wrote: | | 45degreeN wrote: | One explanation I've heard is that there are some "tribulation saints" who against all odds gain faith during the tribulation and those saints are the ones who Satan goes to war with.
Which of course has nothing at all to say about the rapture itself. |
There is no rapture...there will be no rapture...when your magical disappearance act fails...I hope you have a Plan "B" |
StE, I think 45 was offering a explanation for his view. Why not respond to his explanation rather than reassert what you already claimed. BTW I don't believe in a rapture either, but that doesn't excuse poor argumentation. |
I have learned trough much head banging against walls...and I have a barn full of dead horses...trying to reach those seduced ...blinded by this satanic "rapture" doctrine ... Until I realized that the "Strong Delusion' they operate under is handed down from God...and there is very little to nothing I can do to get them out from under it ...other than to warn them to humbly seek the LORD's face that preadventure He would lift the blinfold... so that they can come out from under that "Strong Delusion" ('')
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. |
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StElsewhere
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| Nobby wrote: | | StElsewhere, if you miss plan A plan B will be to late! |
Ma'me with all do respect: You know full well there is no rapture...you have been taught this false doctrine...which is in not once mentioned in the WOG... a "rapture" ...you add a "coming" ...or "appearance" to the WOG that does not exist... and a 7 year luncheon...and The " Supper of the Great God"...you should read the menu...I'll pass...
Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all [men, both] free and bond, both small and great.
Yum-Yum!
The "catching up" is NOT the rapture it is when Christ on His way back to set up His millennial Kingdom for 1000 years...The catching up is to be with Christ forever...Wherever He is...and since He'll be on "Earth" doing His Will ...His Saints will be with Him...I know you and the rest of the "magical rapture" (magical is exactly what it would be) crowd do believe this but...it is the truth and the WOG...and it stands irrespective to your acceptance or not |
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StElsewhere
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Quote: | | StE, I think 45 was offering a explanation for his view. |
Actually, I think 45 was offering an explanation for A view, not necessarily his, but the POV which generated elsewhere's rant. |
Why say rant? Were not my scriptures on point? you speak against my post...buy offer no scripture to counter or to support your POV ...
You are the Rev...Got Scripture? |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | buy offer no scripture to counter or to support your POV . |
. Which POV is that exactly? Did I express a point of view here? No. I simply pointed out the facts of 45's post. Why are you so offended by that?
Actually my screen name is RevJP, nothing more, nothing less. You assume much and know little, and choose to make personal attacks based on nothing but your assumptions - you got scripture to back up that folly?
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StElsewhere
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Quote: | | buy offer no scripture to counter or to support your POV . |
. Which POV is that exactly? Did I express a point of view here? No. I simply pointed out the facts of 45's post. Why are you so offended by that?
Actually my screen name is RevJP, nothing more, nothing less. You assume much and know little, and choose to make personal attacks based on nothing but your assumptions - you got scripture to back up that folly? |
Still no scripture?...that's sad...and on a Christian Discussion Board...WOW!
Point...Set...Match! |
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graphicsguy
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| Yes, StElsewhere, you can go ahead and dance on our graves and sing "I was right and you were wrong" when Jesus comes back... |
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RevJP
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| Quote: | | Still no scripture?...that's sad...and on a Christian Discussion Board...WOW! |
complete avoidance of the facts of the situation? that truly is sad.
What scripture would you like me to post to support what I have posted? In your self-imagined expertise on scripture do you know of any verse or passage that speaks to this:
| Quote: | Actually, I think 45 was offering an explanation for A view, not necessarily his, but the POV which generated elsewhere's rant.
Which POV is that exactly? Did I express a point of view here? No. I simply pointed out the facts of 45's post. |
I did ask you to demonstrate exactly which POV I expressed. Which you chose to ignore completely.
Do you actually read the posts you are responding to?
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StElsewhere
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| graphicsguy wrote: | | Yes, StElsewhere, you can go ahead and dance on our graves and sing "I was right and you were wrong" when Jesus comes back... |
Not necessary! |
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