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Eddy
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Sofyst>>> you're post makes perfect sense (and if my boyfriend wasnt so hot i'd agree with it 100%) seriously though, i dont disagree with you, my only gripe is, that straight couples(i'm too lazy to be politically correct!) have somewhere to go with their feelings...they have the possibility of what u call a God ordained marriage.
The fact is that my relationship, which is in essence, a marriage, is or might land me in hell, and to me that just dosent make sense. I love my boyfriend, If he was a vegetable incapable of breathing without a machine, i would still love him. I cant deny lust does come into it but the relationship is in no way based on lust. I know God dosent always make sense, and we dont always have to understand, but i have a hard time believeing God really wants me to spend my energy fighting my sexuality, when i could be doing so much more.
I;m not disagreeing with you soyfst, your post was really nice and made complete sense, it just seems unfair that straight people have a get out clause for their feelings (marriage) and gay people dont. |
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sofyst
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Eddy, I hope you wouldn't think that I think that homosexuals cannot be in love. I think the only difference between homosexual relationships and heterosexual relationships is that they are not God approved. I don't think the love is any different, or necessarily sin, and I don't think the lust is any different.
I agree that heterosexuals have a 'get out clause' where they can exercise and express their love toward each other in a God approved way (some can, not all heterosexual relationships, even though heterosexual, are God-approved).
And I feel completely your frustration for not being able to do what your heart and your body wants you to do. But I don't think this frustration is an excuse (not saying you are attempting to make it one, I understand it may just be a reason, not an excuse), I don't think this frustration is an excuse to disobey God.
My only advice would be to turn to God. Fall upon Him. Run to Him. Express your frustration to Him. I don't think He put those feelings within you to torture you or to make you miserable. There is a reason for everything.
There are plenty of things that believers want to do, but cannot because it is not God approved. Some Christians love alcohol, and want alcohol...they want to drink it all day everyday. But they recognize they cannot because to indulge in such in a non-controlled way is not God approved. What do they do? They turn to God for help.
No one said this was supposed to be easy, or that you would not get frustrated. No one said giving up your life for Christ or dying daily for Christ was gonna make you completely satisfied and happy right now. Sometimes the life of the Christian is just plain *Poop* because there are things they want to do, and yet cannot in order to live a righteous life.
Rant: oh how I wish the idiot Christians who propagate the ridiculously asinine and foolish non-Biblical claim that Christianity was a life of constant pleasure and happiness. I wish more people payed attention to the lives of Christians who just went through pure hell and pain while on this earth and yet did so out of a love for their LORD! OH HOW I WISH JOEL OSTEEN WOULD SHUT HIS FACE!
[After reading the Rev say 'amen to everything sofyst said', I necessarily had to insert more to have him tangled in an agreement with whatever I say...therefore, 'sofyst is a sexy beast who is brilliant in all his ways and cannot beat the women off of him with a stick']
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RevJP
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Amen to everything sofyst said.
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StElsewhere
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Christian and Gay |
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| Eddy wrote: | It's my opinion, that WAY too much of the debate is lost in the rights and wrongs of what, ultimatly, is a personal and private choice.
I think a LOT of Christians use the Bible to condem homosexuality, not because they are concerned for the well being of another human being, but because they have preconcieved notions of what homosexuality stands for, just as a LOT of homosexuals condem Christanity as homophobic because of their own preconcieved ignorance.
I HATE the way gay men are represented in the media. It's insulting and inaccurate and leads to a LOT of misunderstandings and gives ignorant people a stick with which to beat us.
I KNOW I am loved by Jesus Christ, I KNOW I was made gay, believe me, I struggled, prayed, self harmed, drank, did drugs, disrespected my body for 25 years until I stopped running and learnt to accept what God made me. I did not, and do not want to be gay. Be under no illusions, tere is NO choice in my sexuality, it is not my upbringing, it is not for attention, it is not to be different.
It is the way God made me, if thats something people cant get their heads around then I trust you'll take my word for it. I have the scars too prove it. |
What is so Gay about being Gay? You may think you are a Christian...but can you look yourself in a mirror and say you are in the will of the LORD?
What does God think of homosexuality? He made a clear statement on that by what he did as recorded in Genesis 19:24 as follows: “Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven.”
And as far as the excuse that ..."This is the way God made me"...Listen...God only made one fluke...and it was a fish...You need to repent...be baptized...and then walk in newness of life...turn from all sin...Is what we all have to do...you are no different!!...seeking to justify living an unholy life...is just that seeking to justify an unholy life...and that is a right as two left shoes...They just don't fit.  |
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Diane
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: What does God think of homosexuality? He made a clear statem |
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What does God think of homosexuality? He made a clear statement on that by what he did as recorded in Genesis 19:24 as follows: “Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven.”
Oh dear friend....Christ is victorious!!!! Sodom will be restored!! 
When thy sisters, Sodom and her daughters, shall return to their former estate, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former estate, then thou and thy daughters shall return to your former estate. Ekeziel 16:55
When John and James wanted to bring fire down on the heads of the Samaritans for not believing the Gospel, Jesus' words to them are still appropriate for many: "You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them." (Luke 9:54-56)
It's the Good News - the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Praise His holy Name. 
Personal note to Eddy: Be who you are - God the Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth. God you bless you in your searching out His will for YOU.
Love,
Di 
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FFT
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| StElsewhere wrote: | | What does God think of homosexuality? He made a clear statement on that by what he did as recorded in Genesis 19:24 as follows: “Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven.” |
A condemnation of (attempted) rape, not homosexuality.
You really just don't have any idea what you're talking about, do you?
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StElsewhere
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:43 am Post subject: Re: Christian and Gay |
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| Eddy wrote: | It's my opinion, that WAY too much of the debate is lost in the rights and wrongs of what, ultimatly, is a personal and private choice.
I think a LOT of Christians use the Bible to condem homosexuality, not because they are concerned for the well being of another human being, but because they have preconcieved notions of what homosexuality stands for, just as a LOT of homosexuals condem Christanity as homophobic because of their own preconcieved ignorance.
I HATE the way gay men are represented in the media. It's insulting and inaccurate and leads to a LOT of misunderstandings and gives ignorant people a stick with which to beat us.
I KNOW I am loved by Jesus Christ, I KNOW I was made gay, believe me, I struggled, prayed, self harmed, drank, did drugs, disrespected my body for 25 years until I stopped running and learnt to accept what God made me. I did not, and do not want to be gay. Be under no illusions, tere is NO choice in my sexuality, it is not my upbringing, it is not for attention, it is not to be different.
It is the way God made me, if thats something people cant get their heads around then I trust you'll take my word for it. I have the scars too prove it. |
Well it is fine for you to feel this way...that you were BORN GAY...well that is why the WOG says we all must be BORN AGAIN!...get it? |
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StElsewhere
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| Eddy wrote: | Sofyst>>> you're post makes perfect sense (and if my boyfriend wasnt so hot i'd agree with it 100%) seriously though, i dont disagree with you, my only gripe is, that straight couples(i'm too lazy to be politically correct!) have somewhere to go with their feelings...they have the possibility of what u call a God ordained marriage.
The fact is that my relationship, which is in essence, a marriage, is or might land me in hell, and to me that just dosent make sense. I love my boyfriend, If he was a vegetable incapable of breathing without a machine, i would still love him. I cant deny lust does come into it but the relationship is in no way based on lust. I know God dosent always make sense, and we dont always have to understand, but i have a hard time believeing God really wants me to spend my energy fighting my sexuality, when i could be doing so much more.
I;m not disagreeing with you soyfst, your post was really nice and made complete sense, it just seems unfair that straight people have a get out clause for their feelings (marriage) and gay people dont. |
Why pretend that gay marriage is right before the True and Living God?...just live your life...the way you want...do all the things you want...why even bring God into the picture? |
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StElsewhere
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | StElsewhere wrote: | | What does God think of homosexuality? He made a clear statement on that by what he did as recorded in Genesis 19:24 as follows: “Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven.” |
A condemnation of (attempted) rape, not homosexuality.
You really just don't have any idea what you're talking about, do you? |
You are right ...but that which I do know ...I know well...and the LORD has written His mind and heart on the matter...and He doesn't equivocate on the matter either |
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StElsewhere
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:55 am Post subject: |
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sofyst, Who claims that Christianity is a life of constant pleasure and happiness?
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StElsewhere
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| Eddy wrote: | Sofyst>>> you're post makes perfect sense (and if my boyfriend wasnt so hot i'd agree with it 100%) seriously though, i dont disagree with you, my only gripe is, that straight couples(i'm too lazy to be politically correct!) have somewhere to go with their feelings...they have the possibility of what u call a God ordained marriage.
The fact is that my relationship, which is in essence, a marriage, is or might land me in hell, and to me that just dosent make sense. I love my boyfriend, If he was a vegetable incapable of breathing without a machine, i would still love him. I cant deny lust does come into it but the relationship is in no way based on lust. I know God dosent always make sense, and we dont always have to understand, but i have a hard time believeing God really wants me to spend my energy fighting my sexuality, when i could be doing so much more.
I;m not disagreeing with you soyfst, your post was really nice and made complete sense, it just seems unfair that straight people have a get out clause for their feelings (marriage) and gay people dont. |
Let me ask you this...why do you even want God in your life ...if you are so pleased with the lifestyle you are living? |
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StElsewhere
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:04 am Post subject: |
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sofyst, Look homosexuals have not cornered to market on confusing LUST for LOVE...
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kejonn
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Christian and Gay |
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What does God think of homosexuality? He made a clear statement on that by what he did as recorded in Genesis 19:24 as follows: “Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven.” |
Ah, the old "Sodom and Gomorrah" example. What makes you so certain that the sin of S&G was homosexuality? Who where the men of S&G after when they called into Lot's house? Yes, they were men, but did angels ever take on the form of women? If they had, would the men of S&G left them in peace? Rather, would the sin of S&G not be rape? And what did God say that their real sins where?
Eze 16:49 "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy.
Eze 16:50 "Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. Therefore I removed them when I saw it.
Everyone wants to use S&G as an example of God's judgment on gays but they fail to see that these men wanted to rape. That was the true sin.
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StElsewhere
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Christian and Gay |
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| kejonn wrote: | | StElsewhere wrote: |
What does God think of homosexuality? He made a clear statement on that by what he did as recorded in Genesis 19:24 as follows: “Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven.” |
Ah, the old "Sodom and Gomorrah" example. What makes you so certain that the sin of S&G was homosexuality? Who where the men of S&G after when they called into Lot's house? Yes, they were men, but did angels ever take on the form of women? If they had, would the men of S&G left them in peace? Rather, would the sin of S&G not be rape? And what did God say that their real sins where?
Eze 16:49 "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy.
Eze 16:50 "Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. Therefore I removed them when I saw it.
Everyone wants to use S&G as an example of God's judgment on gays but they fail to see that these men wanted to rape. That was the true sin. |
...and your reference for believing this is?... |
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StElsewhere
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | StElsewhere wrote: | | What does God think of homosexuality? He made a clear statement on that by what he did as recorded in Genesis 19:24 as follows: “Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven.” |
A condemnation of (attempted) rape, not homosexuality.
You really just don't have any idea what you're talking about, do you? |
...and you back this belief up with which text? |
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