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Trinity1
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: |
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Hi Waqar-Daniel,
Just saw this.
| Waqar-Daniel wrote: | | Quote: | | Whether we think of Mohammed as good or as evil, we are told by God to love Mohammed just as we love God, who says that He God is good and evil too. |
Atoz to be very honest, I do not know from where you got this idea? I have never come across any verse in the Bible which says that we have to love any person whether friend or enemy as we love God. |
atoz: Well, I think that the reason you've never come across any verse that says that is because there are none that say so specifically!
But the reason WHY that is so is 2-fold:
God is playing hide and seek as per Isaiah 28 and 29 and Proverbs 25:2,
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God wants us to use the minds he gave us to logically fill in the blanks he deliberatively left for us to fill in, just as any good teacher would. proverbs 25:2
Example:
God says in leviticus 19:
17Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart:
thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour,
and not suffer sin upon him.
18Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people,
but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
33And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
My deduction:
Hmmmmm God tells me to love my bro and family AND strangers.
Hmmmmm those are opposites.
Nah, he cdn't mean that!
But....hey what about the 28 opposites in Eccles 3:1-8?
Hey, he DOES mean that!
See?
Then you see it all over:
Example:
Exodus 23:22:
How can I love God as my or THE Adversary if I hate my adversaries or opposites?
Hmmm
Example:
Then Proverbs 17:17: a Friend loves AT ALL TIMES.
How can i do that if i hate at ANY time...like when i run into my enemies?
Then, brain connections take over!smile
Try it out.
God Bless.
in Love of my opposites or enemies and my composites or friends,
atoz |
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: |
Atoz to be very honest, I do not know from where you got this idea? I have never come across any verse in the Bible which says that we have to love any person whether friend or enemy as we love God. In Jewish faith it is called BLASPHEMY.
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atoz: What is the 'it' that is called blasphemy in the Jewish faith?
The 'as we love God'?
If so, basing these questions on the Jewish Golden Rule, just ask yourself a few questions such as:
When G-d tells you to love *him,* does he love Himself?
When G-d tells your neighbor to love *Him,* does he love himself?
When G-d tells *you* to love him, does he love you?
When G-d tells you to love *your neighbor*, does he love *your neighbor*?
When G-d tells you to love *the stranger,* does he love *strangers*?
Then when God tells u to love Him as good and as evil,
Deut 32:39, does he love u as good and evil?
Then when G-d tells you to love Him as your enemy and as your adversary, exodus 23:22, does he love himself as such?
Then think about it...and after a while you will see that
God loves Himself as you and so loves you as himself,
in order to teach you to love yourself as Him so you can love Him back as yourself!
So that hating yourself or any person as any word, you also hate God as any word, which hate for self or neighbor or God is THE blasphemy!
Then please read Psalms 50.
Here it is from verse 16:
16But unto the wicked God saith,
What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?
17Seeing thou hatest instruction, and casteth my words behind thee.
18When thou sawest a thief, then thou consentedst with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers.
19Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit.
20Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother's son.
21These things hast thou done, and I kept silence;
thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself:
but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.
22Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.
23Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.
God bless with Love,
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: |
Loving God means worshipping God.
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atoz: Just think that thru ...
If loving God means worshipping God,
then no worship means No Love or means Hate.
Then to love God at all times, you have to worship Him at all times....which is impossible and so makes u feel like you can't do it...and guilty.
Then when you don't worship, that means that not only that you don't love God but that you THINK also that G-d hates you!
Uh oh!
That's blasphemy right there to accuse or to think that G-d hates you or anyone else, a part of Himself!
See psalms 50:16-end.
But if we love God in order to worship Him, as per Deut 6:4-5,
4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
then it's beautiful:
We then are worshipping Gd just by having a loving attitude or spirit.
Love is the first way in and by with which we worship God!
It means that we then worship God in Love or doubly worship him.
It means that Hatred is the first lack of worship since we are disobeying God who says to love all.
Then, it gets better and better.
| Waqar-Daniel wrote: |
Even though nice try freind, to redeem Mohammed by quoting verses from the Bible.
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Thanx, my ami.
I hope that I am also redeeming you too!smile
The Talmud says that to save one person is to save a whole world.
God bless,
with Love,
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Waqar-Daniel
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Location: Lahore, Pakistan
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Dear atoz:
As I have already said all your replies are irrelevant to the topic and I do not have time to waste.
Let me quote few verses for you, the so-called redeemer and ami. You are speaking my mother tongue - wow
"Do not go beyond what is written" (1 Corinthians 4:6)
Therefore, your suggestion of so called "fill in the blanks" is far fetched and only complys to you and is totally un-Biblical.
Yes loving God is worship. Let me quote another verse
If you love Me, keep My commandments (John 14:15)
Regarding all that love thing you are quoting is a good try from you to change the subject. I always wonder why Christians and you stick to ONE verse yet forget the following:
Do not give that which is holy to the dogs, nor throw your pearls before the pigs, that they should not trample them with their feet, and turning they charge you. (Mathew 7:6)
I do not know what faith you follow. But this I do know that all the verses you quoted had nothing to do with the topic.
You wanted to know about Blasphemy? Well you:
| Quote: | | we are told by God to love Mohammed just as we love God, who says that He God is good and evil too. |
This is blasphemy and I have never come across a verse which tells me to do so that you implied "we are told by God", Show me the verse that specifically says that we have to love a person as we love God. If you cannot, then stop writing IRRELEVANT replies.
Therefore, for you specially "ami gee"
"Do not go beyond what is written" (1 Corinthians 4:6)
God bless you |
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: | Dear atoz:
As I have already said all your replies are irrelevant to the topic and I do not have time to waste.
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atoz: Dear Waqar-Daniel,
Then wdn't you kindly please show me how my replies are irrelevant, monsieur, and comment I can get relevant?smile
No time to waste?
Hmmm
Let's see:
Time is a function of Love: so the more Love I have, the more Time and good timing I have.
If my Love is everlasting, then I have all the time in the world to waste and wtill have all the Time left, and I have endless good timing!smile
Hmmmm
God Bless you with the Timeless Relevancy of Love for the relevant and the irrelevant, for being in time and out of time,
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: | ...Let me quote few verses for you, the so-called redeemer and ami. You are speaking my mother tongue - wow
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Dear W-D,
You may love to know that I consider myself an Honorary Frenchman because I love myself as french so I can love all frenchmen as myself.smile
Avec Love in moi et avec moi in Love,
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: |
"Do not go beyond what is written" (1 Corinthians 4:6)
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atoz: Oh, that means to not go IN HATE beyond nor within what's literally or metaphorically written,
but do go IN LOVE within or beyond what's literally or metaphorically written.
So, for example, to hate anyone is to already have gone beyond what God wrote in Love of all men, as you know from John 3:16...even if I never go beyond what's literally written.
In Hate of any man, I have crossed the line even when I haven't crossed the line.
Voyez Luke 18:9: to be righteous in thought, word or deed while hating the unrighteous is to be wrong even when right.
God Bless,
In Love of moi comme you and so in Love of vous comme moi,
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Waqar-Daniel"]...
Therefore, your suggestion of so called "fill in the blanks" is far fetched and only complys to you and is totally un-Biblical.
atoz: Au contraire, mon ami.
JC says: Take care HOW you read and take care WHAT you read.
Luke 8:18Take heed therefore *how* ye hear:
Mark 4:24 And he said unto them,
Take heed *what* ye hear:
with what measure [OF LOVE OR OF HATE] ye mete, it shall be measured [BY GOD IN LOVE] to you:
and unto you that hear [IN LOVE] shall more be given.
So u have to add God's Attitude of Mind in HOW you read WHAT God wrote in Love!
How do you read what's written in Hebrew and in Love?
In Hebrew and In Hate?
So that's how you have to read what's written In Love:
In Love.
God bless.
In Love of you as me by first loving me as you,
atoz |
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: | ...
Yes loving God is worship.
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atoz: Correct. Love is the Supreme First Law of God and so the first worship in & from the heart.
So Hate for any man is the first sin of hatred in & from the heart.
Let me quote another verse.
If you love Me, keep My commandments (John 14:15)
atoz: And the first Commandment before the Ten and on which the Ten hang is 'Love God and neighbor as self':
Matthew 22:36-40, especially verse 40.
Then see Matthew 7:12 for into what one statement the Ten are summarised, and so which One statement also HANGS on Love, and so without Love, all fall down.
God Bless.
Keeping all the Ten Commandments in Love and never in Hate,
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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[quote ="Waqar-Daniel"]Regarding all that love thing you are quoting is a good try from you to change the subject. I always wonder why Christians and you stick to ONE verse yet forget the following:
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atoz: you mean 'for' for 'from.'
U're welcome!smile
[quote="Waqar-Daniel"]
Regarding all that love thing you are quoting is a good try from you to change the subject. I always wonder why Christians and you stick to ONE verse yet forget the following:
Do not give that which is holy to the dogs, nor throw your pearls before the pigs, that they should not trample them with their feet, and turning they charge you. (Mathew 7:6)
atoz: Read in Love as God wants us to read it, that means:
Do IN LOVE OF DOGS AND IN LOVE OF HATERS OF DOGS give not that which is holy to the dogs, which NAME DOGS is God's Love-name for those who hate themselves as dogs, since God loves dogs which He made in Love.
and IN LOVE throw not your pearls before the pigs, which is God's Love-name for people who themselves as pigs, since he made the pig which he loves,
that they In Hate should not trample them with their feet, and turning in Hate they charge you. (Mathew 7:6)
See Matthew 15:25-27 for how God called a woman a dog, and she loving herself as a dog and loving dogs as herself was not offended, which is why shd had so much faith which works by Love. galatians 5:6.
26But he answered and said,
It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27And she said,
Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
28Then Jesus answered and said unto her,
O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt.
And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
Galatians 5:6
6For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love
In the faith in & of Love for myself as a dog and as a pig so I can love all dogs and all pigs as myself, and never be offended when I am called a pig or a dog, Ps 119:165
atoz
PS: Psalm 119:165
Great peace have they which love thy law:
and nothing shall offend them.
God Bless.
In Godly Love for myself as all words so I can NOT be offended by any name I am called by others in Hate or in Love,
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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[quote ="Waqar-Daniel"]I do not know what faith you follow.
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atoz: Funny you shd ask: Just told you in that last post!
I follow the faith that works By Love!
See Galatians 5:6
[quote ="Waqar-Daniel"]
But this I do know that all the verses you quoted had nothing to do with the topic.
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atoz: It is because you do not know what faith I follow, even tho you yourslef even practically say it, that you do see nothing of HOW those verses I quoted are on-topic!smile
See that conection? U have probably never heard of the Faith of Love or the Law of Faith which is the Law of Love.
Right? smile
Is ok. Your eyes are being opened to Love.
God Bless.
With The Knowledge & Vision of Love without which we are blind and perish, and which gives the vision to see and understand how all words are connected by Love to God,
atoz, Hosea 4:6 and Proverbs 29:18 |
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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[quote ="Waqar-Daniel"]
You wanted to know about Blasphemy? Well you:
| Quote: | | we are told by God to love Mohammed just as we love God, who says that He God is good and evil too. |
| Waqar-Daniel wrote: |
This is blasphemy and I have never come across a verse which tells me to do so that you implied "we are told by God", Show me the verse that specifically says that we have to love a person as we love God. If you cannot, then stop writing IRRELEVANT replies.
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atoz: I'll try, but in the meantime, please show me a verse in the Bible that says that you can hate Mohammed or any other person or any personyou consider to be the least of these.
Here is my Genuine Try:
John 15:9
As the Father hath loved me,
so have I loved you:
continue ye in my love.
Further, based on the Golden Rule,Matthew 7:12,
when God commands us to love our neighbors as ourselves, as in Matthew 22:39,
then He MUST also love US as Himself!
Therefore, to follow His example,
we MUST also love ourselves as God in order to love God as ourselves,
and
we MUST love our neighbors as GOD in order to love GOD as them, as the least of them!
Plus:
Hebrews 13
1Let brotherly love continue.
2Be not forgetful to entertain strangers:
for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
There is endless more to be supplied on request.
May God Bless you to open your eyes, miami!
Loving you as God and so loving God as you and so seeing God in you and you in God,
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Waqar-Daniel
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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I will ask you only one question because rest of your reply is just wastage of time.
Satan is our enemy - Do you love him also?
| Quote: | Do IN LOVE OF DOGS AND IN LOVE OF HATERS OF DOGS give not that which is holy to the dogs, which NAME DOGS is God's Love-name for those who hate themselves as dogs, since God loves dogs which He made in Love.
and IN LOVE throw not your pearls before the pigs, which is God's Love-name for people who themselves as pigs, since he made the pig which he loves,
that they In Hate should not trample them with their feet, and turning in Hate they charge you. (Mathew 7:6)
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To your un-Biblical philosophy of doggy love, and adding words to the Word of God, God has this to say to you in the Bible.
if anyone adds to these things, God will add upon him the plagues having been written in this Book. And if anyone takes away from the Words of the Book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and of the things having been written in this Book. (Revelation 22:18-19)
Yes I do admit, Muhammed did marry Ayesha out of love, so here you are dead right. And we have also been saying so. So what this whole discussion is about? You and I admit, he did it for love.
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: | Dear atoz:
Therefore, for you specially "ami gee"
"Do not go beyond what is written" (1 Corinthians 4:6)
God bless you |
atoz: Dear W-Q,
Especially par usted:
To hate any person is to sin and so already have gone beyond what's written.
1 Thessalonians 4:
8He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
9But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
Luke 18:9
9And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and *despised* others:
Jude
8Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, *despise* dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Ezekiel 23:28
28For thus saith the Lord GOD;
Behold, I will deliver thee
into the hand of them whom thou hatest, i
nto the hand of them from whom thy mind is alienated:
1 Timothy 2
1I exhort therefore, that,
first of all,
supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for *all* men;
2For kings, and for *all* that are in authority;
that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4Who will have *all* men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6Who gave himself a ransom for *all,* to be testified in due time.
John 15:25
25But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
Merci.
God Bless.
in Love of Moses, Jesus and Mohammed, in Love of all jews and all xtians and all muslims all the time,
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