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summertime Rattlesnake
Joined: 21 Aug 2003 Posts: 432
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: CROSS dressing |
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| KennethL wrote: |
1. The God ordained gender roles are easily found in scripture. Try a concordance and if you are still having trouble let me know and I will provide some references. |
I'm not the one who believes what you are asking me to look up. I figured, since you believe it, you should provide it.
| Quote: | | 2. I am not suprised that this is your interpretation. Those who call themselves Christan and who are living in sin tend to take a universalist view of salvation. Where in scripture do you believe that *everyone* will be reconciled to Christ in the end? |
It is also not surprising that you assume that those who do no believe as you do are living in sin. We all are living in sin. But because Jesus died for the sins of all (not some), in the end, we all will be with God. Between now and then, I believe we are spirits having a human experience.
In regards to bible texts on the reconciliation of all things, it is also not likely that if I did provide references that you would think any different than when we first began our dialogue. |
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KennethL Not So Newbie
Joined: 11 Jul 2007 Posts: 6 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: CROSS dressing |
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| summertime wrote: |
It is also not surprising that you assume that those who do no believe as you do are living in sin. We all are living in sin. But because Jesus died for the sins of all (not some), in the end, we all will be with God. Between now and then, I believe we are spirits having a human experience.
In regards to bible texts on the reconciliation of all things, it is also not likely that if I did provide references that you would think any different than when we first began our dialogue. |
Time will tell |
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summertime Rattlesnake
Joined: 21 Aug 2003 Posts: 432
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: CROSS dressing |
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| KennethL wrote: | | summertime wrote: |
It is also not surprising that you assume that those who do no believe as you do are living in sin. We all are living in sin. But because Jesus died for the sins of all (not some), in the end, we all will be with God. Between now and then, I believe we are spirits having a human experience.
In regards to bible texts on the reconciliation of all things, it is also not likely that if I did provide references that you would think any different than when we first began our dialogue. |
Time will tell |
Everybody needs time (smile). After all, it was time that allowed for the minds and hearts of many to change from passionately quoting the bible to support slavery. One can still quote the bible in regards to that issue, but take note that the bible has not changed on what it says about it. Even still, minds and hearts have changed nonetheless in regards to how they feel about it. |
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John R Nolan Fierce Poodle
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 278 Location: Elimbah, Qld. Australia
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:41 pm Post subject: HYBRIDIZATION is PERVERSITY |
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There is much ado about nothing and we can observe how far the religious lunatics have stepped into wilful unbelief as we read the drivel put forward by fierce poodle and those supporting homosexuality.
Homosexuality is a perversion of what GOD created originally. Nowhere in Genesis do we read of GOD creating an hybrid specie.
Genesis declares as do other Scriptures, that each SEED will bring forth according to his kind.Gen.1:11-25;
No GODLY seed produces an hybrid plant, animal nor person.
It was Lucifer's hybridization of the specie in Genesis 4 which leads us into all the perversion and madness currrently on display.
In Sodom and Gomorah, the men had sold out completely to every form of sexual perversity and homosexuality was mandatory if not compulsory.
GOD burnt these two abominations from the face of the earth, and HE will do so again, soon, with this generation, who have sold out to homosexuality, in the physical which reflects how we have sold out SPIRITUALLY, accepting the doctrines of the denominations, (churches always being typed in the feminine), the teachings of man instead of subjecting ourselves to the Word of GOD,(masculine).
As for GOD looking at the heart; Jer.17:9 "The heart is deceiptful above all things and desperately wicked." so I guess we can't place too much store in GOD looking at our heart.
The Lord says that He is not come to destroy the Law and the prophets, moreso He shows that the law is magnified for the Gentiles in that what was once sin, e.g. committing adultery through a physical act, is now expanded to even looking at a woman lustfully. Mat.5:19-48 explains how the law is magnified, for those able to receive IT.
Homosexuals are not a natural specie of human genus, they are a demonic hybrid which cannot naturally reproduce, therefore they are a dead specie.
Transvestites are worse, they don't even know what they are.
GOD is not the author of confusion so they could NOT be of HIS creation leaving them only to be children of the wicked one.
That does not imply transvestites, homosexuals, lesbians, murderers, fornicators etc., cannot repent, change their direction, and walk in the light;
NONE of us can walk in sin and rightfully call ourselves Christians. |
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summertime Rattlesnake
Joined: 21 Aug 2003 Posts: 432
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:17 am Post subject: Re: HYBRIDIZATION is PERVERSITY |
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| John R Nolan wrote: |
Homosexuals are not a natural specie of human genus, they are a demonic hybrid which cannot naturally reproduce, therefore they are a dead specie. |
I am not going to respond to all of what you said. My days of continually being on forums like this are over. Thus, my lack of presence here. However, I will say that if reproduction were so important to God then eunuchs would not have been uplifted in Isaiah 56:3. I would imagine that eunuchs would have instead been spoken of in the opposite sense due to their inability to reproduce IF reproduction were as important to God as it seems to be to your perspective of God. And I mention this keeping in mind the assumption that your belief is that every word you see on the pages of the bible are words that God spoke! |
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P1234567890 Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 11 Mar 2006 Posts: 7563 Location: Victoria, Canada
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:36 am Post subject: Re: HYBRIDIZATION is PERVERSITY |
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| John R Nolan wrote: |
Homosexuals are not a natural specie of human genus, they are a demonic hybrid which cannot naturally reproduce, therefore they are a dead specie. |
Ha! This post is wrong on SO many levels, including just simple biological fact.
Who ever argued that gays are a separate species from straight humans???
Nolan, homosexuality is perfectly natural, and is seen throughout the animal kingdom. _________________ "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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KennethL Not So Newbie
Joined: 11 Jul 2007 Posts: 6 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: HYBRIDIZATION is PERVERSITY |
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| It's interesting how often a forum on transgender ends up being hijacked by the topic of homosexuality. |
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atoz Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 4189
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: Re: What about the transgendered? |
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| 45degreeN wrote: | Although many people insist that the gay fraternity should include the transgendered there are distinctions that separate them into different groups. One crossdresser is not the same as any other crossdresser though and a person could be in both groups even though that is not the usual case. Far more cross dressers are straight sexually than gay.
Aside from the only mention of it is in Deuteronomy22 there is nothing else in scripture that says anything about crossdressing. Can one lump cross dressing in with Homosexuality?
What about the transexuals those who feel that they have to change sex? Are they to be considered as being a birth defect or as willful violators of God's law?
Anyone care to conjecture? |
Hi 45,
As you know, everything in the Bible is based on the Axiom of Love.
So God loves crossdressers and gays, noncrsoodressers and straights.
Therefore what is primarily prohibited is any Hatred for any type of person and any Hatred in crossdressing or in straight dressing.
see?
It is Hatred of itself, minus one, that is the defect and violation of Love for all words and their opposites, which is what everything and nothing are. Love, minus one, is the only perfect thing of itself.
Then we can understand the Bible a lot more and deduce a lot more than what is literally stated in the Bible, as follows:
God prohibits any crossdressing IN HATE of no crossdressing or in Hate of straight dressing.
God prohibits any straight dressing IN HATE of crossdressers or crossdressing.
God allows all straight dressing in Love of crossdressing,
and allows all cross dressing in Love of straight dressing.
Can you add some more just by using that Godly premise of Love for all conditions, or Unconditional Love?
Sure you can.
Then go looking and you will find it in the Bible or in Nature which God made!
Romans 14:14
14I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself:
but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
This principle that 'nothing is unclean of itself' applies to ALL opposites....which is why we have Eccles 3:1-8.
in Love and respect,
atoz |
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atoz Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 4189
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: Re: What about the transgendered? |
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| summertime wrote: |
How can you [P123] conclude that cross dressing is fine by the bible if it's prohibited in the bible? Personall, based on my view of the bible, it's not a sin. However, based on the motto, "the bible says it, I believe", it is prohibited. Also, the bible condemns certain forms of homosexuality, just as it condems certain heterosexual forms of sex. It says nothing about prohibiting two people of the same sex in a loving relationship. At least, not blatantly:) |
Hi Summertime,
Hope you are still around.
What is really prohibited in the Word of God[WOG] is the sin of hatred for any word, person or thing.
So what is prohibited in any Biblical prohibition is always hatred IN what is prohibited, not the thing itself.
example:
God says to not murder, which is killing with hatred.
Therefore, killing in Love is allowed and giving life in Love is allowed.
Therefore, giving life IN Hatred is NOT allowed: in other words, it is wrong to hate anybody even if you do not kill them! And this is exactly what JC says in Matthew 5:21-48.
Hope that helps.
Please ask any questions..
in Love of giving and taking, acts 20:35
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atoz Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 4189
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:55 am Post subject: Re: What about the transgendered? |
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[quote="summertime"
Deuteronomy 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
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read as written, that is, in Love, this verse means
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man IN HATE OF WOMAN'S CLOTHES,
neither shall a man put on a woman's garment IN HATE OF MEN'S CLOTHES:
AND NEITHER SHALL ANY MAN WEAR MEN'S CLOTHES IN HATE OF WOMEN'S CLOTHES,
NOR SHALL ANY WOMAN WEAR WOMEN'S CLOTHES OUT OF HATE FOR MEN'S CLOTHES.
for THE HATES IN all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
All that boils down to:
Each person is to self as every word and its opposite, so that each person can then in Love make a choice and so know when to wear what and when to not wear what as per Eccles 3:1-8.
in the Clothing of Love for all the clothed and all the naked, Matthew 22:12,
atoz |
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StElsewhere Guest
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: What about the transgendered? |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | dim12trav wrote: | Although many people insist that the gay fraternity should include the transgendered there are distinctions that separate them into different groups. One crossdresser is not the same as any other crossdresser though and a person could be in both groups even though that is not the usual case. Far more cross dressers are straight sexually than gay.
Aside from the only mention of it is in Deuteronomy22 there is nothing else in scripture that says anything about crossdressing. Can one lump cross dressing in with Homosexuality?
What about the transexuals those who feel that they have to change sex? Are they to be considered as being a birth defect or as willful violators of God's law?
Anyone care to conjecture? |
As far as I can tell, cross-dressing is fine by the Bible, especially since as you say most cross-dressers aren't even gay.
Homosexuality is clearly a sin, but transgendered people are an interesting case. Where in the Bible does it say that you can't get a sex change operation? |
Ever read:
Deu 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.
The WOG doesn't get more clearer than this ... Not only is it a sin...it is a biggy...an ABOMINATION!... and that's good enough for me!  |
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45degreeN King Kong
Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Posts: 2534 Location: Salem Oregon
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:06 am Post subject: |
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The references to Deut.22 is the oldest and one that has been given over to many different interpretations.
Remember that during the 1st century there really was very little difference between the clothes of the two genders. So what little possible deception was available through this device must have been far from the sexual side of the thing and more towards the "intent to deceive side".
There are no Biblical accounts of anyone ever using this method of deception and being punished for it, none at all. No records of anyone ever being transgendered either, it is just not included. Clearly with only a single verse it could not have been an important issue at the time and I suspect it is not an important issue to God now. _________________ My boss is a Jewish carpenter.
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