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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver Surfer wrote:
lone-traveler wrote:
A day is as a thousand years. Adam lived 930 years. Adam died in that day.

Good point, Lone.

As the Lord made a 7 day week, so about 6000 years have already passed ( 6 days = 6000 years).

What happened on the 7th day ?

Or, what is expected to happed during the 7th thousand year period ?


The thing about the 7 day week being equal to 7000 years is the breakdown of what happened when. For instance, I'm not sure whether you think we're in the 6th or 7th day, but humans were only created in the 6th day, so by your premise, logic dictates that humans have been around for less than 2000 years. Now, how long ago did Jesus live and how long before that were there people?

Your idea doesn't jive with scripture.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wrote:

Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Yes. I think it is literal. God experiences time much differently than we do.

FFT responded:
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Would it be honest or deceptive of God to use a different time frame than Adam could have expected him to use?


Time is what it is. I have always heard that 1 year of a mans life is like 7 years to a dog and the timeframe for cats is similar to that of dogs. There are some insects that live only days but their lifespan from their perspective may, in actuality, be many years to them. God did not deceive anyone. Eve did. Satan did. Adam did. God did not.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

luvnlife wrote:
Yes. I think it is literal. God experiences time much differently than we do.
Then to God, a day is simultaneously 1,000 years and 237 milliseconds, but not 24 hours of human time. Unless there was data left out.

luvnlife wrote:
Time is what it is. I have always heard that 1 year of a mans life is like 7 years to a dog and the timeframe for cats is similar to that of dogs.
Sure, but if I asked you how old your dog was and you gave me an answer in dog years, I'd be able to figure out what the hell you were talking about because I have a reference point. If I asked you how old your table was and you said "140 years," I'd be impressed! But if you later said "oh but in dog years," I'd be sorely tempted to thump you in the head. 140 years is antique, 20 is just impressive.

It would, in fact, be dishonest of you to use a method of measuring time I can't be expected to understand from the start.

luvnlife wrote:
God did not deceive anyone.
Clearly he did.

luvnlife wrote:
Eve did.
Who did Eve deceive? Adam was right there when she started eating.

luvnlife wrote:
Satan did.
No more than God did.

luvnlife wrote:
Adam did.
Where?



I mean seriously, have you even read Genesis? Do you even consider for a moment the silliness of the apologetics you're spewing out?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFT wrote:
John, I'll respond to your post when it's legible.

luvnlife wrote:
Yes. I think it is literal. God experiences time much differently than we do.
Would it be honest or deceptive of God to use a different time frame than Adam could have expected him to use?

And please do note that there are two parts to the description of time in 2 Peter 3:8: the first is the apologetic's greatest friend—"a single day is like a thousand years with the Lord." But there is another part—"a thousand years are like a single day." Thus, a day for God is both 1,000 years and 237 milliseconds.

The attitude of "anything we can mine from scripture to support our silly beliefs" leaves you with naught but yet more silly beliefs.


That there is an ongoing debate over such a point demonstrates that no one really believes what the Book says or there would not be any debate. He will provide the meaning to those He has predestinated to hear and understand, the rest, just as the scribes and pharisees will chase their tails in circles, like very old dogs, without ever coming to the knowledge of the Truth
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:57 pm    Post subject: TIME, TIDE AND CONFUSION Reply with quote

Thanks to all who have responded so positively to the points made previously, it has been uplifting to read the comments, though there has been little said, and even less Scripture provided, to negate any points made.
Fortunately, FFT, some find the writing sufficently lucid and comprehensible, which is a relief.
What was illegible?

Now, to carefully address many of the issues raised and try to make these thoughts more comprehensible.

As stated, if Peter's writings were erroneous, then we will have to remove 1st and 2nd Peter from our Bibles, which would be sad, as he has some very interesting and uplifting things to say.
Having found Peter to be in error, we will next have to remove 2 Tim.3:16, which declares "ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of GOD and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction and instruction in all righteousness," which is now obviously proven to be inaccurate.
There goes all Paul's writing, for, if he was wrong here, what other errors has he made, so we had best cut all the Pauline epistles out also.
In fact, what now have Christians to base their faith on, having found GOD has allowed error in His Book, according to a commentator?

It escapes comprehension that the comments re GOD'S time scale are so misunderstood, Lone has explained that pretty lucidly, so possibly we can give that a rest and address other matters
Whatever one may choose to believe bought about Eve's death, she died, thus proving what GOD said was TRUE, NOT a lie, "It is impossible for GOD to lie" Heb.6:18, hang on, can we include Hebrews? I believe Paul wrote that also.

The comment "The attitude of 'anything we can mine from Scripture to support our silly beliefs''' is enlightenning and if the writer is pursuing that course then there is little hope of them achieving much satisfaction in studies
Christians are instructed to search the Scriptures to ensure they are not following cunningly devised fables, and that appears the purpose of this discussion.
Not for myself nor any other writer to be propogating personal opinions or beliefs.
God also uses a day in the 24 hour context, we need only keep what is said in context.
As for the earth being only 6,000 years old, maybe we could observe that GOD CREATED the earth, the universe, the animals, and man, over 6,000 years, but, if we look in Gen.2:4-9 we find that although Adam had been created, he was not yet MADE, nor were the plant, BEFORE it was in the ground, and BEFORE herbs were growing in the ground, even more interesting is that GOD FORMED Adam out of the ground in vs.7, though he was created in 1:27?
Possibly the six thousand years of CREATION were GOD perceiving in His mind what He was planning to accomplish. The Bible does not say what time span there is between creation and manifestation.
Christian were IN HIM "before the foundation of the world," Eph.1:4, but when did we manifest in flesh?
{this is a personal theory and has no Bible support, just a thought}

'How can anyone say it is not a lie GOD for GOD to tell Adam that he would die within a day of eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge?'
Easy, Adam died within the day, so GOD did NOT lie to Adam nor Eve, and to suggest GOD is a liar is a risky thing to do. Heb.6:18

GOD is outside of TIME, as far as we know it only exists in this dimension, where we have chosen to measure it.
Being the eternal, (without father or mother, having neither beginning of days nor end of life" Heb.7:2-3
Ah-ha, heresy you say, that was Melchisidec, but, please explain, Who else is titled King of Peace, (Salem) and KIng of Righteousness? More over Abraham, a prophet, paid Him tithes, so Who was He?

Thanks for the comments, thanks also to admin. for resolving my error
John
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John R Nolan wrote:
That there is an ongoing debate over such a point demonstrates that no one really believes what the Book says or there would not be any debate.
Oh, I understand it perfectly. It's simply a suggestion that one not try to put a timetable to God's actions. I'm not the one trying to take a self-contradictory statement literally—or rather, part of a self-contradictory statement.

John R Nolan wrote:
He will provide the meaning to those He has predestinated to hear and understand
Think that's you?

John R Nolan wrote:
Fortunately, FFT, some find the writing sufficently lucid and comprehensible, which is a relief.
Really? Who? I didn't notice anyone responding to your post at all.

John R Nolan wrote:
What was illegible?
Well when I can sufficiently distinguish between your response and what you're responding to I'll get around to my own response. Honestly, using the quote function isn't all that hard.

John R Nolan wrote:
As stated, if Peter's writings were erroneous, then we will have to remove 1st and 2nd Peter from our Bibles, which would be sad, as he has some very interesting and uplifting things to say.
I'm not saying they're erroneous (beyond the obvious I don't believe God exists in the first place anyway), merely that it's a statement that shouldn't be taken literally. I don't see how this is so hard. So basically the rest of your slippery slope is irrelevant.

John R Nolan wrote:
It escapes comprehension that the comments re GOD'S time scale are so misunderstood, Lone has explained that pretty lucidly, so possibly we can give that a rest and address other matters
Except that you can't take 2 Peter 3:8 literally in the first place because doing so causes a contradiction. Thus you can't just take one part of it literally to justify things elsewhere.

John R Nolan wrote:
Whatever one may choose to believe bought about Eve's death, she died, thus proving what GOD said was TRUE, NOT a lie,
Eventually, and significantly after the day God said it would take.

Why would God tell someone "day" but mean 1,000 years? How does that make any sense to you at all? How does that seem even remotely honest?

John R Nolan wrote:
"It is impossible for GOD to lie" Heb.6:18
Withholding information is, while not a lie, deceptive.

John R Nolan wrote:
The comment "The attitude of 'anything we can mine from Scripture to support our silly beliefs''' is enlightenning and if the writer is pursuing that course then there is little hope of them achieving much satisfaction in studies
I've achieved quite a bit of satisfaction, actually, with all the studying I've done it's become extremely easy for me to realize when people haven't thought their arguments through.

John R Nolan wrote:
Christians are instructed to search the Scriptures to ensure they are not following cunningly devised fables, and that appears the purpose of this discussion.
Laughing Metahumor.

I searched the Scriptures to ensure I wasn't following a cunningly devised fable only to realize that the whole thing was a fable. Funny, that.

John R Nolan wrote:
'How can anyone say it is not a lie GOD for GOD to tell Adam that he would die within a day of eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge?'
Easy, Adam died within the day, so GOD did NOT lie to Adam nor Eve, and to suggest GOD is a liar is a risky thing to do. Heb.6:18
I revise my statement to "withholding the truth," which, while just as bad as a lie in my book, is not technically a lie. Mythological figures are even known for it, see: Hermes.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:01 pm    Post subject: WHY BOTHER Reply with quote

FFT, twice I have written you lengthy responses, going through your latest comments, and each time I have tried to forward my response the cosmic nullity hath devoured them
As you do not believe there is a GOD, it would be impossible for you to comprehend the Bible, which is GOD'S WORD for His children, who are believers.
There seems little point putting further time or energy in trying to convince you to believe what Christians believe
Maybe yet there is hope for you; with all the study you've done one would have thought by now you would have seen the simplicity and accuracy of Scripture.
Then again, it was the scholars, the most learned students in the world who nailed their Messiah on the cross.
Does not imply knowledge of that sort is beneficial
That also shows where Christ is crucified a second time, as church leaders, scholars, etc. put to death the Word of GOD, and He is the Word made flesh, Jn.1:14, by perverting IT into doctrines of man and personal interpretations
Christians are encouraged, instructed to increase in GODLY knowledge, knowledge of HIM, not knowledge of the world
Good luck, you may need it
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John R Nolan wrote:
As you do not believe there is a GOD, it would be impossible for you to comprehend the Bible, which is GOD'S WORD for His children, who are believers.
Feel free to explain where I go wrong, if you're so certain I have Neutral

John R Nolan wrote:
Maybe yet there is hope for you; with all the study you've done one would have thought by now you would have seen the simplicity and accuracy of Scripture.
And yet ...

Perhaps that should say something?

John R Nolan wrote:
Christians are encouraged, instructed to increase in GODLY knowledge, knowledge of HIM, not knowledge of the world
All well and good, but when "GODLY knowledge" contradicts what is found in the world, perhaps you should question whether what you have is actually true?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: RIGHT or WRONG Reply with quote

FFT, thank you for your response,the point being made is that what YOU choose to believe is entirely your prerogative, and there is no issue with that.
That you do not believe what I and many others believe is also totally your choice
Proving you are right or wrong is irrelevant, you forget that the perfect BASIS of the Bible is FAITH, which is described as believing that which we cannot see.
No man hath seen GOD at any time, but the creation, the galaxies, running with an accuracy in their orbits far more accurately than any time piece made by man; the fact that a seed contains all the fruit it will later produce, according to its kind, for years, how did the tree fit into the seed, these testify to God's glory, bare perfect witness of a creator
If GOD made His Word that any reader could comprehend IT, why is IT written in parables?
To PREVENT those who are not predestinated,
(Eph.1: 2-22), from understanding IT. Mat.13:10-15; Mk.4:11-12, is even more emphatic.
These Scriptures explaining why the vast majority will never believe. "Strait is the gate and narrow is the Way and FEW there be that enter there in" Mat.7:14
The Bible is here as a witness to GOD, His truth, history, to expose His future plans and as the level by which the world will be JUDGED
The fact that you reject GOD'S Word testifies that you are wrong, because you refuse to accept something so elementary and incontestable
That religions have screwed His Word around and use IT as a weapon to dominate the simple, to bankrupt the nations economically, morally and especially SPIRITUALLY is not the issue, though, one suggests, it possibly contributes to your un-belief.

That Godly knowledge contradicts what the world says or witnesses to is also irrelevant.
GOD made the ball game, He makes the rules, and His children accept that and trust Him, have FAITH, that He has all under control.
That you don't have that satisfaction, that assurance is tragic, for you, and maybe yet you will be able to put aside your measly little thought program and learning, that you may learn from Him.
I can teach you nothing, I just enjoy discussing the Word as IT is LIFE, for me; for myself IT IS TRUE
God came in simplicity to confound the WORLD, but He REVEALS HIMSELF to His children, those who were in Him before the foundation of the world, and I am one of them.
It doesn't make me a good man, smart, learned, but it keeps me striving to live a better life and emulate the Life Jesus lived, in Love, maybe that alone makes IT a viable belief to follow
John
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:09 am    Post subject: Re: What God hates most of all? Reply with quote

thunder wrote:
With a one word response ( preferably )," what is the one thing that God hates most of all?"

SIN !

And, as soon as the individual 'professed' Christian realizes what the Bible defines, as sin.......Salvation, then becomes a reality.
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