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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:30 pm    Post subject: Polling Muslims Reply with quote

It appears that only 25% of young American Muslims feel, under certain circumstances, that suicide bombings are OK.

Hmmmm... lets do some math, shall we?

Approx 2.3 million Muslims live in the United States (more or less - me thinks more - but... who cares what me thinks). Of that 2.3 million, lets say only 800,000 can be classified as 'young'.

25% of 800,000 is 200,000 people.

So, we have about 200,000 people in our country who believe that suicide bombings can be OK... under the right circumstances of course. I'm really nit sure what circumstances make it OK to walk into crowds, with explosives strapped to your body, set said explosives off, ripping to pieces little children... their parents... their grandparents... perhaps even a few other Muslims. No one has ever gotten back to me what those circumstances are... but, since there are 200,000 folks out there that happen to believe this, I am hopeful that someday I will be given that answer.

The poll also finds:
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By contrast, 13 percent of all U.S. Muslims felt suicide attacks could be justified often,


Well, that makes me feel a lot better... we got it down to 100,000 now. Ghee wiz... I was starting to worry that the number was higher than a large American city... Rolling Eyes

Source for my rambling here is THIS.

Alas… let us never forget the Islam is a religion of peace… #Suspect
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One item I forgot to add was that 40% of those polled didn't think Arabs were involved in 9/11.

Confused or disgusted That is about a million of these folks... Confused or disgusted

Ya think there just might be some thing going on here?
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFT wrote:
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.


I'm a Mark Twain fan too (although it may not have been that first said it, he's one of those this is attributed to...)

But I'm curious FFT if you think the polling data above is the former or later parts of that aphorism...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFT wrote:
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.


Really #Suspect

How so? You said 'so'? It sounds too 'so so'? It is so implausible?

Polls are indeed polls... but some of those... erm... statistics are a smidge high... I would think even for those moderates we keep hearing exist.

What part you got a prob with?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And there was silence... a deafening silence... one you would expect when the other is... speachless... and for FFT to be speachless, it is a miracle... supernatural... nothing else explains it!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you think that polls refer that some Muslims are Terrorists and don't you think all Muslims are Terrorists? Well, I say all Muslims are Terrorists whether they strap themselves to Bombs or not.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waqar-Daniel wrote:
Do you think that polls refer that some Muslims are Terrorists and don't you think all Muslims are Terrorists? Well, I say all Muslims are Terrorists whether they strap themselves to Bombs or not.


Confused or disgusted I don't believe that all Muslims are terrorists by a long shot... that really wasn't the jist of this thread. The point I was trying to make, I guess, is that there is a large percentage of them that are complacent in their faith and condemnation of others who use that faith as a foundational element to justify murder.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please read it to the end. I understand the meaning of your post, however, talking few percentage is totally wrong.

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I don't believe that all Muslims are terrorists by a long shot


I live in a muslim country so I know better what goes here, and I live in a muslim country who is known for supporting terrorists' organization.

I always say there two types of Muslim Terrorits.

ACTIVE TERRORISTS

These are the ones who actually take part in Terrorists' acts.

PASSIVE TERRORISTS

These are the ones who support them with finances and other ways.

Let us see what Koran COMMANDS a Muslim. If you have doubts about authenticity, you can check it up in Koran.

4:89
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.

2:191-2
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.)

4:91
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant.

If you look at this verse, who are disbelievers - We are.

2:193
Fight them until "religion is for Allah."

It is not fight against America or Europe, the fight is for complete dominance of the religion Islam.

2:206
Those who fail in their duty to Allah are proud and sinful. They will all go to hell.

What is the duty? The next verse will tell you about the duty.

2:216
War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not.

3:28
Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers.

3:73
Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim.

3:118
Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you.

3:151
We (Allah) shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire

4:63
Oppose and admonish those who refuse to follow Muhammad.

4:74
Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars.

I can also tell that vast REWARDS from Koran if you are interested.

4:76
Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil.

4:101
The disbelievers are an open enemy to you.

4:144
Do not choose disbelievers as friends.

5:33
Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom.

5:51
Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.

5:80
Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah.

8:15-16
When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell.

8:39
Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.

8:59-60
Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah.

8:65
Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence.

9:5
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them.

Is this proof enough that all Muslims by faith are Terrorists or do you need more? Imagine when a child reads koran, that child will have hatred for Christians and Jews at a very small age and when that child grows up, that child would be full of hatred for you and me.

So dear friend, all Muslims are terrorists and remember, educated Muslims are worst kind of Terrorists, worse than who blow themselves up.

In our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ

Waqar Daniel

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waqar-Daniel wrote:

Is this proof enough that all Muslims by faith are Terrorists or do you need more? Imagine when a child reads koran, that child will have hatred for Christians and Jews at a very small age and when that child grows up, that child would be full of hatred for you and me.
So dear friend, all Muslims are terrorists and remember, educated Muslims are worst kind of Terrorists, worse than who blow themselves up.
In our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ
Waqar Daniel


Shocked WOW!!! Shocked

I am indeed impressed with the amount of effort you put into this post... and I do understand what kind of perspective you are bringing to this discussion. I recently read a book by Robert Spencer... The Truth about Mohamed: Founder of the most intolerant religion on earth. Spencer covers your referenced passages in detail and comes away with pretty much the same perspective. I'm not arguing that. I believe that if Muslims are to take their religion, the Koran, Hadith, Sunna literally... killing and/or subjugating non-Muslims is what they are instructed to do... by any means.

Those aren't necessarily the ones who I am referring to though. The ones I am referring to are the ones who don't believe it is good for you to drink camel urine... marry 7 year old girls... etc... I believe that Muslims who are able to rationalize their religion, albeit ignoring the majority of evidence disproving the Koran... those are the ones I am referring too.

Also, I see that you are from Pakistan. How is it a Christian is allowed to exist in Pakistan? If the country is an Islamic Republic how does a Christian live there?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well dear friend:

I wish you could live among them because only then you would really see their true face. Muslims these days are taking a moderate approach just to convince the world that they are no terrorists. People from West do believe them and believe me they are the most dangerous ones who show themselves as moderate Muslims. There is nothing like that. This is only a deception used by their prophet and by faith they are allowed to do that.

See when the Meccans turned against muslims, they ran and took shelter in Africa. The Meccans followed them and asked the king to handover them as they had a treaty. Now the king called them and using deception the renegade Muslims recited Sura Maryam (Sura mean Chapter and Maryam means Mary mother of Jesus). So the king thought that they were Christians and did not hand them over to them.

Life here is pretty tough. No jobs and they want male Christians to remain out of jobs. Howver, God is too kind to me.

Let me tell you another way the Muslims help each other. Amnesty International is owned by Muslims. Her founder is a muslim and she always finds Jews attacking Palestinians whereas no one cares about Christians in that part of the world.

Many NGOs that work for Madrassas (muslim school) under the excuse that they are helping them not to become terrorists is a BIG pack of lies. How I know? Well I have worked on World Bank, UNDP, CIDA and NGOs sponsored programs. One of my designed project is still going on and it is known as Proactive and Safe Schools.

Have you ever wondered how did so much ammunition reached Afghanistan? The answer is so simple, through these NGOs and many moderate muslims living among you.

After 911, it was a big festivity of victory in muslim countries. Sweets were distributed on streets and huge parties were thrown to celebrate death of people in America. And Christians were afraid to go to work places. General stores refused to sell food to us. People celebrated 911 outside Churches.

But when USA attacked Afghanistan and Iraq, they started to change their policy. They are now showing themselves as moderate and victimized by the West. General view is that USA wants to get oil from Iraq.

Then again why muslims are against Israel? Well before controlling Mecca, muslims prayed towards Israel. When Mohammed got control of Mecca he changed it to Mecca.

Now as per faith and Hadiths, Mohammed will come back to Jerusalem and will pray there and Jesus will say a Muslim prayer after Mohammed and everyone wil be muslims. Jesus will marry and have kids and then die and after that the Judgement Day will come.

I can tell you from Koran why these Muslims so foolishly believe to reach their paradise. Muslim paradise is another eye opener. I can write if you want to know about it.

Once some asked me how can we be sure that Christianity is the true religion, or Islam, or Hinduism as all claim to be from God? I replied to him that if you want to judge which religion is from the true God then look at the concept of Life After Death.

One of my fiends in Uk, last month told me that he is against muslim faith and yet he is a muslim. Whenever I am in UK I visit him. So I told him then why he does not convert to Christianity. NO ANSWER, Ask the muslims to convert who do not believe in Islamic ways and they will be too defensive. Give it a try and see the truth yourself.

If you want, I can post various concepts of Life After Death and you will be amazed to read all that.

In our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muhammad will return, Amnesty owned by Muslims? I think you're slightly wacky Waqar, though it figures by you converting to Xianity i guess.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Muhammad will return, Amnesty owned by Muslims? I think you're slightly wacky Waqar, though it figures by you converting to Xianity i guess.



Thank you dear friend. I do not say Muhammed will return, it is Koran that says - I just quoted a belief and nothing else. so I am not at all wacky.

Do remember I am only Christian and there is no proof for wild imagination that you have.

Can you tell me the owner's/President's name of Amnesty International and her nationality? Can you tell me one incident where they supported persecuted Christians?

Waiting for your reply.

God bless you

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok Waqar. Firstly you are wrong to say Muhammad will return. He's dead. Show me the Quranic verses if ye are truthful (dont hold your breath guys).

Secondly, AI was founded by a Roman Catholic and although its current Sec General is a Muslim, that doesnt mean AI is a muslim organisation? Get it?

So the UN is a chinese organisation because its headed by a Chinese guy? pfft

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Friend:

I did not know that you are a muslim, however, you may fool and deceive people of the west but remember I live in a muslim country and it is compulsory for us to study Islamiat. I did till my under-grad course but thank God that I did not have to take it up for my Masters degree.

I also do not get into discussion with people who have no knowledge and just try to confuse people with misquoting and twisting words. However, for the record, let me correct your inferior knowledge.

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Secondly, AI was founded by a Roman Catholic and although its current Sec General is a Muslim, that doesnt mean AI is a muslim organisation? Get it?


You said that Amnesty International is not owned by Muslims. I think I should have written that Muslims have HIJACKED it.



History of Amnesty International

Amnesty International was founded in 1961 by Peter Benenson, a British lawyer. It was originally his intention to launch an appeal in Britain with the aim of obtaining an amnesty for prisoners of conscience all over the world.

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If AI is organized by Roman Catholics then why Vatican has asked all the Roman Catholics to stop supporting AI?

Peter Benenson

Amnesty International was founded in July 1961 by Peter Benenson, an English lawyer and communist who had converted to Roman Catholicism in 1958. Benenson and his friend Alec Digges, an Irish communist[4], who were also the genesis of the International Brigade Association at the same address (2 Parton Street WC1, London) took control of the Amnesty shell in 1961. At this time, the pressure on their communist front organisation was becoming too great and Peter took Alec's suggestion to operate as a new organisation dedicated to "the call for a general amnesty for prisoners in Spain originally adopted at the Brigade’s 1952 Annual General Meeting"[5]. Peter deflected potential criticism of the communist roots of Amnesty with the story that, while traveling to work, he read of two Portuguese students who had been condemned for having made a toast to freedom[6]. Benenson, without too much fanfare, also quietly traced the idea back to the Spanish Civil War, and he was aware of existing activism in the area, notably the communist-backed 'Appeal for Amnesty in Spain' - not to mention his co-located International Brigade Association in the same office. Thus, Amnesty International began in the summer of 1961 as a year long campaign, 'Appeal for Amnesty, 1961'. The campaign was announced in May 1961 but by July 1961 the leadership had decided that the appeal would form the basis of a permanent organisation, which on 30 September 1962 was officially named 'Amnesty International' (Between the 'Appeal for Amnesty, 1961' and September 1962 the organisation had been know simply as 'Amnesty'). [3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesty_International

Therefore, dear friend, Peter Benenson was a fake Roman Catholic, he only used it to get an international fame but he remained a communist because he kept his communist organization up and running.


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So the UN is a chinese organisation because its headed by a Chinese guy? pfft


For your dim-witted joke and knowledge, Ban Ki-moon is not a Chinese but a South Korean diplomat.



ROLE OF AI TODAY

Yes it is now being chaired by Irene Khan of which you knew nothing of. She had HIJACKED AI, and AI is only for muslims now. Only Palestianians, Iraqis, Afghanis, Bosnians and Muslims in general are Human Beings.

Last year there was a Christian Youth Conference in New York. Guess who opposed that Conference? Amnesty International. They even went to have a debate with the Pastor on Fox News and even Fox News presenter told the representative of AI that she had been rude and the Pastor had been kind.


Now regarding your question about your prophet Mohammed. Yes you are very right saying that He is DEAD. I also believe in that, however, I do believe that he will be raised up for judgement. As you know Koran needs support of Hadiths, and without Hadiths, Koran is nothing. So you need support of Hadiths in understanding a verse from Koran.

"And the messenger says,"O my Lord, my OWN people have forsaken the Koran." (Koran 25:30)

Will Mohammed will tell Allah while he is dead that his people have forsaken the Koran? Do DEAD people talk??? Here you are rejecting your own faith and Koran.


All men and women fall unconscious. Muhammad is the first to awake and he sees Moses who may or may not have awoken prior, holding up the Throne of Allah at the mountain of Tur (Sahih Bukhari, book 55 "accounts of the prophets", numbers 610, 620, 626.)


I ask you, do DEAD people fall unconscious? So strange you are rejecting your own faith here? If you continue to argue, then say that the Hadith in Sahih Bukhari is wrong or say that Koran 25:30 is wrong.


You are rejecting your own faith just to prove me wrong. See what Koran says about people like you. I do not believe in Koran as God inspired or in Mohammed as a prophet, but as you are a muslim so I will quote Koran here just for you.

"...If any do fail to judge by what Allah(God) has sent down (i.e the Koran), they are unbelievers (Kaafiroon)." (Koran 5:45).

"...If any do fail to judge by that which Allah has sent down, they are tyrants (dhilamoon)." (Koran 5:45)

"...If any do fail to judge by that which Allah has sent down, such are evil-livers (fasikoon)." (Koran 5:47)

Therefore, dear friend, according to your own faith, you are an UNBELIEVER, a TYRANT and an EVIL-LIVER

As my faith teaches me, I just pray to God so that He may in His mercy open your heart to the truth of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ.

I do not want to get into discussion with you because you need to learn Koran first, then you need to learn patience, because you can say anything to us but if we talk anything aginst your religion then you will lose patience.

I think instead of trying to confuse us with your twisted words, you must have challenged the references I quoted from Koran about killing people of other faiths.

May God the Father have compassion on you through our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ.

God bless you

Waqar Daniel
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