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RevJP
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Rocket, is it your usual mode of operation to assume much and base all your thinking on your assumptions?
You do not know me, you do not know anyone here, how they came to beleive, what they believe, what they have studied, what they have learned and who taught it to them.
You have not walked in my shoes or anyone else's and yet you make this claim:
| Quote: | You have missed all this. You have! I'd like to see you find it.
I belonged to a Methodist church, I sang in the Choir, I taught Sunday school, using the preprinted lessons given me by the church, much the same as you learned it. Lessons from the church. Now I would like you to read the rest of the story. It's all history, true history. This is complicated and has to be searched in different places... |
Do you even recognize that your very assumptions are lies to yourself?
Please, get a clue, then maybe we will have something to talk about.
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Psa 118:8 It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man. |
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TBax
King of the Jungle
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: |
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JP,
Yes, pages and pages have been written, so that alone proves there is Biblical support for the trinity. 
That is what they call a fallacy.
| JP wrote: | | So the reality of things is this: You and yours lie. |
No. The reality is you and yours lie and twist scripture. The reality is the trinity is not found in the Bible. History backs that up. Naming the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit together is not support for a trinity. Understanding that Jesus is a powerful creature and that God created all other thing through him does not make Jesus God Almighty. Yes this has all been discussed ad nauseum. The truth is the trinity was developed after the first century and now people are scouring the scriptures to find things they can misapply. That is what all those pages of discussion are. They are both called "saviour" therefore they are both God Almighty? Please!!! 
| Rocket wrote: | | I do not believe sir, that you are lying either. |
Rocket is kind for assuming you aren't lying purposely. However I know you lie purposely from a previous conversation where you blatently lied about me and could not back up your words. Your accusations are empty. Your character is clear. Seriously, you need to recognise this and change because the coarse you are on isn't good.
| JP wrote: |
You do not know me, you do not know anyone here, how they came to beleive, what they believe, what they have studied, what they have learned and who taught it to them. |
Your writtings expose your character. Rocket is too kind to assuming you have good motives. I have seen you don't care what truth is.
Seperate topic:
| JP wrote: | | I simply don't care anymore |
Jesus, is that you?  
If you don't care why do you keep writting and spewing more lies? 
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Rocket
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Joined: 10 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Rev JP and TBax, Stop it right now! We have been taught to love one another and if we are to follow Yeshua this is what we have to do. I believe in all these discussions this one thing has been totally forgotten.
Rev JP I do not want you to give up, I believe you are an intelligent man. What I have asked of you isn't hard, if it was hard to study ancient history, I couldn't have done it in the first place. Second place I don't ask it for me, I ask you to do it for you.
Deut 6:4 is the Great commandment where God tells us He is one. I don't believe as a Jewish man Yeshua believed God was three persons in one, why do we. If the church is incorrect in teaching this, as I believe it is, why would anyone wish to anger God by making Him into something He isn't This scares me to death. We are dealing with the Supreme Being that created everything. Wouldn't it be a good idea to really get to know Him.
As I stated before, I attended a Methodist church for years, taught sunday school sang in the choir, but the more I listened to the sermons, the more I recited that God is in three persons the more I questioned it and I had to find out for myself. It took me 20 years, RevJP, studing books, searching on line when I finally got a computor and I have read some sorry things. I even read a book claiming Yeshua was illegitamate and attended an Illegitamate school in Qumran. This is almost as silly as the trinity. |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Rocket, I assert once again that you are working from false assumptions. You assume what I believe and why I believe it and you try to equate your history with mine although you have no clue as to what my history is. Not just me, but you have included everyone here who accepts the biblical doctrine of the trinity, in your assumptions.
1 Corinthians 2:11-16 For what person perceives (knows and understands) what passes through a man's thoughts except the man's own spirit within him? Just so no one discerns (comes to know and comprehend) the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. (12) Now we have not received the spirit [that belongs to] the world, but the [Holy] Spirit Who is from God, [given to us] that we might realize and comprehend and appreciate the gifts [of divine favor and blessing so freely and lavishly] bestowed on us by God. (13) And we are setting these truths forth in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the [Holy] Spirit, combining and interpreting spiritual truths with spiritual language [to those who possess the Holy Spirit]. (14) But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated. (15) But the spiritual man tries all things [he examines, investigates, inquires into, questions, and discerns all things], yet is himself to be put on trial and judged by no one [he can read the meaning of everything, but no one can properly discern or appraise or get an insight into him]. (16) For who has known or understood the mind (the counsels and purposes) of the Lord so as to guide and instruct Him and give Him knowledge? But we have the mind of Christ (the Messiah) and do hold the thoughts (feelings and purposes) of His heart. [Isa. 40:13.]
1 Corinthians 3:18-20 Let no person deceive himself. If anyone among you supposes that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool [let him discard his worldly discernment and recognize himself as dull, stupid, and foolish, without true learning and scholarship], that he may become [really] wise. [Isa. 5:21.] (19) For this world's wisdom is foolishness (absurdity and stupidity) with God, for it is written, He lays hold of the wise in their [own] craftiness; [Job 5:13.] (20) And again, The Lord knows the thoughts and reasonings of the [humanly] wise and recognizes how futile they are. [Ps. 94:11.]
Try taking a look at John Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion, Chapter 13. Read that and study it in meditation with scripture, and then come back and we can talk.
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| calvin and hobb's wrote a book on religion?... |
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Pete
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Joined: 31 May 2006
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Location: Arlington Hts., Il. USA
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | Rocket, I assert once again that you are working from false assumptions. You assume what I believe and why I believe it and you try to equate your history with mine although you have no clue as to what my history is. Not just me, but you have included everyone here who accepts the biblical doctrine of the trinity, in your assumptions.
Try taking a look at John Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion, Chapter 13. Read that and study it in meditation with scripture, and then come back and we can talk. |
Do you mean the same John Calvin, "The butcher of Geneva"? He was no more a Christian than Adolph Hitler when it comes to his personal behavior as a political tyrant.
Why should anyone believe anything this fraud wrote? He was as bad as the popes. |
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TBax
King of the Jungle
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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Rocket,
Hi, 
I appreciate your well meaning words, however I think they are a bit misplaced. Love is vital, but it doesn't preclude exposing falsehoods or those that perpetuate them. It doesn't preclude the recognition and exposing of unsavory characters. Jesus actually did these as well. Love means I want JP to understand reason and come to an accurate knowledge of the truth. And I do want that. That was why I tried to reason with him. But he wants no part of it. Recognizing when he is spouting lies does not betray love. However I will stop for your sake.
Take care.
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Is God three persons? |
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| apocatastasis wrote: | For those who believe that God is three distinct persons, please define the term 'person' in this context.
Any takers? |
Because God is Love, 1 John 4:8, 16
and
Love loves all words and their opposites, Mt 5:44-48
Love is all words and their oposites,
and
God is all words and all antonyms at the same time.
Therefore God is all of these at the same time:
Unity or Solo,
Duality or Duet,
Trinity or Trio,
Quartity or quartet,
Quintity or quintet,
Ad infini-ty or Ad Infini-tet!smile
In the Infinity of Love that made paul an infinity of things to each and all men, 1 Cor 9:22
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