1Cr 15:28

Ana · Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:04 pm Post subject: 1Cr 15:28

Not that I'm hugely passionate about this topic really, but in light of this passage, how can Jesus be God?

Rocket · House Cat Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 156

You are absolutely correct Ana. Jesus is not God, never claimed to be God. This is definately something to be passionate about. This is a church teaching which is not in any way according to the Bible.

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Rocket · House Cat Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 156

RevJP, I understand your belief, I wish I could agree with you. Yeshua was prophised in the Old Testament, but never called God, here He is called a servant. I know you were taught the trinity is true. I have made a 20 year study and found it to be false.

Isaiah 53

1 Who has believed what we have heard? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? 2 For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or comeliness that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He was despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that made us whole, and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is dumb, so he opened not his mouth. 8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away; and as for his generation, who considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living, stricken for the transgression of my people? 9 And they made his grave with the wicked and with a rich man in his death, although he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it was the will of the LORD to bruise him; he has put him to grief; when he makes himself an offering for sin, he shall see his offspring, he shall prolong his days; the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand; 11 he shall see the fruit of the travail of his soul and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous; and he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore I will divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he poured out his soul to death, and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6908 Location: USA

Rocket, with all due respect, you have no idea of what I was 'taught' or not taught.

I applaud your 20 year study and that you choose to not believe in scripture is your own choice. However, please try not to condescend to those who do not believe as you do. Most of the people posting here have devoted much time and study to the things they post about, and rarely do you find any here that have simply swallowed what someone has told them.
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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

unto us a SON is born...unto us a child is given....HE shall be called..

wonderful...

counselor...

mighty GOD...

everlasting FATHER...

and prince of peace....

apocatastasis · King of the Jungle Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 1827

That's an easy one, Ana.

God is able to be subjected unto Himself simply because He is infinite an omnipotent. He transcends our finite categories of thinking. Who are we to limit God's power by telling Him that He can't subject Himself to Himself?

Laughing

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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

phil2: 5Let this same attitude and purpose and [humble] mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus: [Let Him be your example in humility:]

6Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[b]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not [c]think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped [d]or retained,

7But stripped Himself [of all privileges and [e]rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being.
8And after He had appeared in human form, He abased and humbled Himself [still further] and carried His obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross!

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1970

Hi,

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TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1970

God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name,

Jesus has been given all authority over creation until he hands over the kingdom to God. Again both (Jesus and God) are refered to seperately, not interchangeably. Would you like to see the scripture?

Very Happy

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TwoPutt · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject:

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TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1970

TwoPutt,

Joseph still wasn't pharoah, just like Jesus still isn't God.

(1 Corinthians 11:3) But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God.
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TwoPutt · Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:42 am Post subject: