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John R Nolan
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3:28 I tell you the truth, people will be forgiven for all sins, even all the blasphemies they utter.
3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin”
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12:31 For this reason I tell you, people will be forgiven for every sin and blasphemy, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
| John R Nolan wrote: | | As for the single thing GOD hates, all perversion, all hypocrisy, all sin comes as a result of the first LIE in the Garden, thus, one may deduce, that is the root of what GOD hates. |
Well, who told the first lie? Was it God when He said that Adam would die the day he ate of the fruit, or the Serpent when he corrected Him, or Adam and Eve when they were embarrassed? |
There again appears confussion amongst the way Scriptue is translated, doesn't there?
Adam died within one day, one day being as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 2 Pet.3:8
There is no record of any person lliving a thousand years, Methuselah being the oldest at 969 years, Gen.5:27, GOD did NOT lie, Adam did die in the day that he ate thereof.
Silver Surfer correctly comments, GOD cannot lie, and we who profess to believe His Word are the ones who should be working on the DEATH of SELF, our thoughts, our interpretations, and become subject to His Word, that we can walk in the LIGHT as He is in the LIGHT, be freed of the murky darkness now dominating the earth.
Remembeer, "at the evening time it SHALL be LIGHT".Zec.14:7
This is that. Amen
Paul, who probably had a much closer walk with the LORD than any of us dare claim, confessed that he needed to DIE DAILY, that he could get rid of, be freed from the doctrines and dogma drummed into him through his religious education; maybe it is time for those professing Christianity to consider that for themselves.
The heathens who contribute here have excuse, they know no better and will be judged accordingly, but those who profess Christianity and deny His Word will have much more to answer for.
As a matter of interest, where exactly did the serpent, satan, CORRECT GOD?
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FFT
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | When God told Adam & Eve that they would die that day, the sentence was pernounced, and they began to age towards death, that day. |
Aging is not equivalent to death.
| John R Nolan wrote: | Adam died within one day, one day being as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 2 Pet.3:8
There is no record of any person lliving a thousand years, Methuselah being the oldest at 969 years, Gen.5:27, GOD did NOT lie, Adam did die in the day that he ate thereof. |
You think 2 Peter 3:8 is literal?
Further, you believe Simeon Peter knew how time is scaled for God?
| John R Nolan wrote: | | As a matter of interest, where exactly did the serpent, satan, CORRECT GOD? |
In that it was not the eating of the fruit which caused death. Death was brought into the world when God prevented Adam and Eve from eating of the Tree of Life. Had they stopped eating from the Tree of Life on their own they would have eventually died anyway.
If you want to be literal about it, anyway.
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Silver Surfer
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"Even one wrong trait of character, one sinful desire, persistently cherished, will eventually neutralize all the power of the gospel.
Every sinful indulgence strengthens the soul's aversion to God. The man who manifests an infidel hardihood, or a stolid indifference to divine truth, is but reaping the harvest of that which he has himself sown.
In all the Bible there is not a more fearful warning against trifling with evil than the words of the wise man that the sinner "shall be holden with the cords of his sins." Proverbs 5:22.
Christ is ready to set us free from sin, but He does not force the will; and if by persistent transgression the will itself is wholly bent on evil, and we do not desire to be set free, if we will not accept His grace, what more can He do?
We have destroyed ourselves by our determined rejection of His love. "Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation." "Today if ye will hear His voice, harden not your hearts." 2 Corinthians 6:2; Hebrews 3:7, 8.
"Man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart"--the human heart, with its conflicting emotions of joy and sorrow; the wandering, wayward heart, which is the abode of so much impurity and deceit. 1 Samuel 16:7. He knows its motives, its very intents and purposes.
Go to Him with your soul all stained as it is. Like the psalmist, throw its chambers open to the all-seeing eye, exclaiming, "Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: and see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting." Psalm 139: 23, 24.
Many accept an intellectual religion, a form of godliness, when the heart is not cleansed. Let it be your prayer, "Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me." Psalm 51:10.
Deal truly with your own soul.
Be as earnest, as persistent, as you would be if your mortal life were at stake.
This is a matter to be settled between God and your own soul, settled for eternity.
A supposed hope, and nothing more, will prove your ruin"
(Steps to Christ, by white, Pg. 34)
OSAS, is the supposed hope, that will fail in the end, IF person is living in disobedience, to God's commandments (Matthew 7:21-23).
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John R Nolan
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: THE ONGOING LIE |
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The first lie told was in the Garden, when Lucifer, through the Beast, the serpent, (a talking snake yet!) told Eve that she would NOT die, if she took his advice and partook of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
We learn from Gen.2:9 that there were TWO trees in the midst of the garden.
One was the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the other was the TREE of LIFE
Obviously, at the point where the serpent tempted Eve, they had not partaken of either, they had no knowledge of evil, as GOD had commanded Adam not to eat of the tree of knowledge 2:17, though He had not forbidden Adam to eat from the Tree of Life, nor had they knowledge of death.
After Eve partook of the fruit of knowledge of evil, (remember, all they knew previous to this point was GOOD, GOD, they had no experience of evil,) THEN GOD, Gen.3:22, says man has become aware of good AND evil, so, in vs.24 HE appoints two cherubim to guard the Tree of LIFE, to prevent Adam or Eve from accessing It.
They did not stop eating of It, they never had.
Yes, as a Christian, one is expected to believe EVERY Word of GOD and if what Peter said is inaccurate or incorrect we all may as well throw our Bibles away, as It is faulty and not to be trusted at all.
Peter was ignorant AND unlearned, but, being a professional fisherman he would have some understanding of time, tides, etc., but what is Peter's relevance here? GOD wrote the Bible, Peter was naught more than a scribe.
Silver Surfer, that you are quoting a false prophetess is sad, but if that is what you believe, so be it, I prefer to quote the AUTHOR, Elohim, GOD.
FFT states that death was introduced because GOD stopped Adam and Eve accessing the Tree of Life?
The Bible says they died because they chose to sin, to rebel against GOD'S commandment NOT to partake of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, again 2:17, if so they would surely DIE.
Yes, let us maintain literality, where does Scripture suggest Adam and Eve were embarassed?
Where does the serpent correct GOD?
GOD fulfilled His Word in that Adam died within one day, inside the thousand years.
If Adam and Eve had eaten of the Tree of Life first there would have been no fall, there would have been no opportunity for GOD to manifest HIS CHARACTER His attributes of Saviour, Healer, JUDGE,etc. as there would have been no sin ever able to enter the world.
Once that Adam and Eve, (remember it was EVE, {types Church} who was deceived, not Adam) sinned, had they been able to partake of the Tree of Life, Christ, they would never have died and GOD'S program would have failed dismally
Being GOD HE can't fail nor make mistakes, so it all works out according to HIS plan
This is a point which has been raised many times in previous postings, it is time for CHRISTIANS to submit to His WORD and stop all this fussing and fighting over who is interpreting things correctly
GOD alone is RIGHT, all the "new, better editions, the modern english, the sexless, homo-friendly, interpretations" of the BIBLE, are naught more than repetitions of Satan's original trick where he altered GOD'S WORD to deceive Eve, plus a means for publishing companies to make heaps more money.
We need decide this day whom we will serve, as for me and my family, we will serve the LORD, and HE IS the WORD, amen |
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FFT
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| John R Nolan wrote: | | The first lie told was in the Garden, when Lucifer, through the Beast, the serpent, (a talking snake yet!) told Eve that she would NOT die, if she took his advice and partook of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. |
He told her that she would not surely die, which was not a lie. The fruit did not in itself cause death, it was expulsion from Eden which caused death.
| John R Nolan wrote: | | After Eve partook of the fruit of knowledge of evil, (remember, all they knew previous to this point was GOOD, GOD, they had no experience of evil,) |
They couldn't have known good or evil until they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
| John R Nolan wrote: | | They did not stop eating of It, they never had. |
Do you have a Biblical basis for this standpoint or are you just guessing? There is no indication of how much time was spent between Adam's creation and Eve's creation, nor of how much time was spent between Eve's creation and Eve's temptation.
| John R Nolan wrote: | Yes, as a Christian, one is expected to believe EVERY Word of GOD and if what Peter said is inaccurate or incorrect we all may as well throw our Bibles away, as It is faulty and not to be trusted at all.
Peter was ignorant AND unlearned, but, being a professional fisherman he would have some understanding of time, tides, etc., but what is Peter's relevance here? GOD wrote the Bible, Peter was naught more than a scribe. |
Peter's only authority in his letter was his faith.
| John R Nolan wrote: | FFT states that death was introduced because GOD stopped Adam and Eve accessing the Tree of Life?
The Bible says they died because they chose to sin, to rebel against GOD'S commandment NOT to partake of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, again 2:17, if so they would surely DIE. |
It was their restriction from the Tree of Life which caused them to eventually die.
| John R Nolan wrote: | | GOD fulfilled His Word in that Adam died within one day, inside the thousand years. |
Then why isn't that reflected anywhere but in a relatively insignificant letter written four thousand years* later?
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| John R Nolan wrote: | | If Adam and Eve had eaten of the Tree of Life first there would have been no fall |
Why not? What if they'd chosen to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil after eating from the tree of life?
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:23 am Post subject: Re: THE ONGOING LIE |
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| John R Nolan wrote: | Silver Surfer, that you are quoting a false prophetess is sad, but if that is what you believe, so be it, I prefer to quote the AUTHOR, Elohim, GOD.
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IF...you had known your Bible, you'd have recognized God word, wherever the source comes from.
Since you failed to recognized the true test of truth from God, your response was expected......
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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John R Nolan
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | John R Nolan wrote: | | The first lie told was in the Garden, when Lucifer, through the Beast, the serpent, (a talking snake yet!) told Eve that she would NOT die, if she took his advice and partook of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. |
He told her that she would not surely die, which was not a lie. The fruit did not in itself cause death, it was expulsion from Eden which caused death.
FFT, can GOD lie?
No
GOD told Adam that he WOULD SURELY DIE if he partook of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good AND evil.
Lucifer contradicted GOD'S Word and told Eve, (note, he did not discuss this matter with Adam, but with the woman) and stated they would NOT die.
This is directly opposed to GOD'S statement, and, as God cannot lie, it must be a lie
Silver Sufer, the source of our information is relevant to our comprehensiion of what is happening today.
white is not vindicated, nor did she speak without error, there being a number of instances where she contradicts her own previous teachings, eating of meat is one good example, but that is not important
What is said is in love and there is no personal antagonism toward you or any who follow white's erroneous doctrine
"COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE" Rev.18:4
quote="John R Nolan"] After Eve partook of the fruit of knowledge of evil, (remember, all they knew previous to this point was GOOD, GOD, they had no experience of evil,) |
They couldn't have known good or evil until they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
| John R Nolan wrote: | | They did not stop eating of It, they never had. |
Do you have a Biblical basis for this standpoint or are you just guessing? There is no indication of how much time was spent between Adam's creation and Eve's creation, nor of how much time was spent between Eve's creation and Eve's temptation.
| John R Nolan wrote: | Yes, as a Christian, one is expected to believe EVERY Word of GOD and if what Peter said is inaccurate or incorrect we all may as well throw our Bibles away, as It is faulty and not to be trusted at all.
Peter was ignorant AND unlearned, but, being a professional fisherman he would have some understanding of time, tides, etc., but what is Peter's relevance here? GOD wrote the Bible, Peter was naught more than a scribe. |
Peter's only authority in his letter was his faith.
| John R Nolan wrote: | FFT states that death was introduced because GOD stopped Adam and Eve accessing the Tree of Life?
The Bible says they died because they chose to sin, to rebel against GOD'S commandment NOT to partake of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, again 2:17, if so they would surely DIE. |
It was their restriction from the Tree of Life which caused them to eventually die.
| John R Nolan wrote: | | GOD fulfilled His Word in that Adam died within one day, inside the thousand years. |
Then why isn't that reflected anywhere but in a relatively insignificant letter written four thousand years* later?
That Peter's writing is INSIGNIFICANT, is a bold statement, as it will nullify the rest of his writings. which includes 2 Pet.1:20; 2:12; 3:1-3; 3:16 is especially relevant, what about 2 Pet.1:2, or 1Pet.5:8, you are going to finish up with a mighty thin Bible by the time you rip out all the bits that don't agree with your man made doctrines, stick with all of it and ask GOD to reveal His Word, no one else can
John
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| John R Nolan wrote: | | If Adam and Eve had eaten of the Tree of Life first there would have been no fall |
Why not? What if they'd chosen to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil after eating from the tree of life?[/quote]
Had they done that sin would have become part of GOD'S creation and would never be removable, it would become eternal as GOD IS LIFE and that would make GOD sin. |
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John R Nolan
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| John R Nolan wrote: | | FFT wrote: | | John R Nolan wrote: | | The first lie told was in the Garden, when Lucifer, through the Beast, the serpent, (a talking snake yet!) told Eve that she would NOT die, if she took his advice and partook of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. |
He told her that she would not surely die, which was not a lie. The fruit did not in itself cause death, it was expulsion from Eden which caused death.
FFT, can GOD lie?
No
GOD told Adam that he WOULD SURELY DIE if he partook of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good AND evil.
Lucifer contradicted GOD'S Word and told Eve, (note, he did not discuss this matter with Adam, but with the woman) and stated they would NOT die.
This is directly opposed to GOD'S statement, and, as God cannot lie, it must be a lie
Silver Sufer, the source of our information is relevant to our comprehensiion of what is happening today.
white is not vindicated, nor did she speak without error, there being a number of instances where she contradicts her own previous teachings, eating of meat is one good example, but that is not important
What is said is in love and there is no personal antagonism toward you or any who follow white's erroneous doctrine
"COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE" Rev.18:4
quote="John R Nolan"] After Eve partook of the fruit of knowledge of evil, (remember, all they knew previous to this point was GOOD, GOD, they had no experience of evil,) |
They couldn't have known good or evil until they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
| John R Nolan wrote: | | They did not stop eating of It, they never had. |
Do you have a Biblical basis for this standpoint or are you just guessing? There is no indication of how much time was spent between Adam's creation and Eve's creation, nor of how much time was spent between Eve's creation and Eve's temptation.
If the English language still has any meaning, the word LEST:"not, for fear that;" implies neither Adam nor Eve had eaten of that tree, nor the TREE of Life, and GOD took steps to prevent them accessing the Tree of Life, LEST, for fear that, they would live forever, contrary to His warning to them that they would die.
| John R Nolan wrote: | Yes, as a Christian, one is expected to believe EVERY Word of GOD and if what Peter said is inaccurate or incorrect we all may as well throw our Bibles away, as It is faulty and not to be trusted at all.
Peter was ignorant AND unlearned, but, being a professional fisherman he would have some understanding of time, tides, etc., but what is Peter's relevance here? GOD wrote the Bible, Peter was naught more than a scribe. |
Peter's only authority in his letter was his faith.
| John R Nolan wrote: | FFT states that death was introduced because GOD stopped Adam and Eve accessing the Tree of Life?
The Bible says they died because they chose to sin, to rebel against GOD'S commandment NOT to partake of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, again 2:17, if so they would surely DIE. |
It was their restriction from the Tree of Life which caused them to eventually die.
| John R Nolan wrote: | | GOD fulfilled His Word in that Adam died within one day, inside the thousand years. |
Then why isn't that reflected anywhere but in a relatively insignificant letter written four thousand years* later?
That Peter's writing is INSIGNIFICANT, is a bold statement, as it will nullify the rest of his writings. which includes 2 Pet.1:20; 2:12; 3:1-3; 3:16 is especially relevant, what about 2 Pet.1:2, or 1Pet.5:8, you are going to finish up with a mighty thin Bible by the time you rip out all the bits that don't agree with your man made doctrines, stick with all of it and ask GOD to reveal His Word, no one else can
John
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| John R Nolan wrote: | | If Adam and Eve had eaten of the Tree of Life first there would have been no fall |
Why not? What if they'd chosen to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil after eating from the tree of life? |
Had they done that sin would have become part of GOD'S creation and would never be removable, it would become eternal as GOD IS LIFE and that would make GOD sin.[/quote] |
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lone-traveler
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Hbr 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hbr 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hbr 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.
Hbr 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Hbr 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers [is] rejected, and [is] nigh unto cursing; whose end [is] to be burned.
Does this relate to Adam and Eve at all?
Were they "enlightened"? Did they taste the "good" word of the Lord? Did they fall away again unto repentance?
Did they look a gift in the mouth and then blaspheme him?...
Were they cursed for believing the serpent? or for accusing him?
He was in the world and the world knew him not...
Jhn 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am [he], and [that] I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
Jhn 12:34 The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?
Mat 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more [shall they call] them of his household?
Jhn 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Jhn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
Jhn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Jhn 10:21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they [were] naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Jhn 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
Jhn 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with [their] eyes, nor understand with [their] heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Who blinded their eyes? Who opened their eyes?
must have been the devil.. 
Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?....
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Luvnlife
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John R Nolan wrote:
| Quote: | Adam died within one day, one day being as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 2 Pet.3:8
There is no record of any person lliving a thousand years, Methuselah being the oldest at 969 years, Gen.5:27, GOD did NOT lie, Adam did die in the day that he ate thereof. |
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| Quote: | | You think 2 Peter 3:8 is literal? |
2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Yes. I think it is literal. God experiences time much differently than we do.
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FFT
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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John, I'll respond to your post when it's legible.
| luvnlife wrote: | | Yes. I think it is literal. God experiences time much differently than we do. |
Would it be honest or deceptive of God to use a different time frame than Adam could have expected him to use?
And please do note that there are two parts to the description of time in 2 Peter 3:8: the first is the apologetic's greatest friend—"a single day is like a thousand years with the Lord." But there is another part—"a thousand years are like a single day." Thus, a day for God is both 1,000 years and 237 milliseconds.
The attitude of "anything we can mine from scripture to support our silly beliefs" leaves you with naught but yet more silly beliefs.
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lone-traveler
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Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
A day is as a thousand years. Adam lived 930 years. Adam died in that day.
Jhn 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
1Cr 15:36 [Thou] fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
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FFT
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| lone-traveler wrote: | | A day is as a thousand years. Adam lived 930 years. Adam died in that day. |
And 237 milliseconds is also a day, and Adam certainly lived a bit longer than that.
Why are you so selective about how you apply 2 Peter 3:8?
And how can anyone say it's not a lie for God to tell Adam that Adam will die the day he eats of the fruit without adding that oh-so-minor detail that a day is a thousand years?
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Silver Surfer
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| lone-traveler wrote: | A day is as a thousand years. Adam lived 930 years. Adam died in that day.
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Good point, Lone.
As the Lord made a 7 day week, so about 6000 years have already passed ( 6 days = 6000 years).
What happened on the 7th day ?
Or, what is expected to happed during the 7th thousand year period ?
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | As the Lord made a 7 day week, so about 6000 years have already passed ( 6 days = 6000 years). |
Or it only took 1.66 seconds.
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