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Luvnlife
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 Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:53 am Post subject: Speaking in tongues and interpreting ~ questions! |
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Here I am again...more questions.
1 Cor. 12:7-12 says:
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
There is a woman in the church I attend that 'speaks in tongues.' Then she interprets what she has just said. Could she have both the gift of tongues and of interpreting? And if so, why doesn't she just "interpret" the message she has been given instead of speaking in tongues, then interpreting it? Is this self-aggrandizing to bring attention to herself and make her feel special or is this real?
Thanks again!
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I would like to point out that the strongest argument against modern "tongues" being divinely inspired is the fact that many churches have banned it altogether because of arguments over interpretation.
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Luvnlife
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TSS; Are you speaking in tongues? LOL... Do we have a translator in the house (or on the board)?
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Luvnlife
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Seriously, though... is it possible for one person to not only speak in tongues but interpret what he or she just spoke? Why speak in tongues in that case? Why not just 'interpret the message?'
And FFT had a good point:
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| Quote: | | I would like to point out that the strongest argument against modern "tongues" being divinely inspired is the fact that many churches have banned it altogether because of arguments over interpretation. |
What would happen if two people simultaneously attempted to interpret? If modern-day churches believe in the gift of tongues, why would they ban it? How do we know which messages are divinely inspired and which might be plain and simple grand-standing?
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| luvnlife wrote: | | What would happen if two people simultaneously attempted to interpret? |
A fistfight, apparently. Especially if the interpretations are different enough.
| luvnlife wrote: | | If modern-day churches believe in the gift of tongues, why would they ban it? |
A better question—how would they ban it?
| luvnlife wrote: | | How do we know which messages are divinely inspired and which might be plain and simple grand-standing? |
It's not quite so black and white. Speaking in tongues is more like stage hypnotism than it is outright deception.
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I believe tongues means languages...
So in the context of languages..if you were to translate the scriptures from say Greek to Spanish, One would have to speak it and be able to intepret it. If two people come together to translate scripture from Greek to Spanish they would both have to agree on the wording and how to translate it. Now the person who is Spanish who is hearing you speak in his language ( which to all other Greeks is an unknown tongue), then the Spanish has to understand what the Greek is saying..
interpretation.
We all speak english here and we still have a hard time understanding eachothers speech..lol..
You take a class in Spanish. Now you can speak it and also be able to translate what you just said in english to a person who speaks english.
So if you speak in an unknown tongue and someone asks you in another language to intepret what you just said...you should know what it is you are saying..
should...
being able to speak in tongues is for the benefit of those who speak in other languages...
Like speaking in the Spirit..about spiritual things...a carnal mind can not understand a word your saying, so you have to be able to translate spiritual thoughts and ideas into carnal ones....parables.
Lets take for instance.....let's use this example....
| Quote: | | How do we know which messages are divinely inspired and which might be plain and simple grand-standing? |
You will know the truth and the truth will set you free.. 
No, basically you know when someone is lying if you already know the truth about a matter....
Como esta usted?...you want to go for a walk?
is this a true translation or false translation?
Am I speaking in another tongue to people who don't understand what I'm saying?..then it's just for show.
Am I trying to make a point and get a message across to those who speak this language?
Como esta usted?...How are you?...
I would have been found a liar.
But if no one is around to correct my translation...then it would be true until someone caught it. That's why there should always be another around to translate...so you can't pull the wool over other people's eyes.
1Cr 14:27 If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret.
1Cr 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
You ever try to witness to people in a town and you don't know their language and they don't know yours?
They look at you kind of funny..
But if you take someone with you that speaks both languages then you have an interpreter with you and they can translate...that way everybody gets an ear full
..LOL
thats my understanding of tongues luv...
different languages.
And we have many people today that can speak multiple languages...specially those in high offices. Like the Presidents and the Pope and heads of States..Ambassadors around the world..
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theseldomscene
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| luv wrote: | | What would happen if two people simultaneously attempted to interpret? |
if two people are interpreting it is unscriptural...one is to interprete...so in churches that have that problem...they are out of scriptural guidelines to start with...if they were obedient...there would have only been one interpreting... |
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theseldomscene
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| but no she should not speak and interprete...for it should be by two...or three at the most...that speak in tongues...and "let" one interprete....so i don't think one prophecying and interpreteing is quilified by scripture...at least two, no more than three, must speak one at a time...and one interpretes...that is in the church...in the personal prayer closet...it is different... |
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Luvnlife
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TSS said:
| Quote: | | but no she should not speak and interprete...for it should be by two...or three at the most...that speak in tongues...and "let" one interprete....so i don't think one prophecying and interpreteing is quilified by scripture... |
Thanks, TSS. That is how I interpreted 1 Cor 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
But then in 1 Cor 14:
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
But then in 1 Cor 14:
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
So.. I think with the last verses and that first verse that the person who speaks in tongues must have someone who is able to interpret the message other than the person receiving the message.
Thanks again TSS for helping me work this out.
Lone: I like the idea of 'tongues' referring to other languages and I think it is another language but not one known to mankind according to 1 Cor 14:
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Lone said:
| Quote: | You will know the truth and the truth will set you free..
No, basically you know when someone is lying if you already know the truth about a matter.... |
I think you're right there. If you know the truth then you can discern whether what was interpreted is in keeping with Gods and Jesus' words.
Thanks you guys! Hugs to you both, too.
Much Luv
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| here is what i have been wanting to know...the lady in your church...when she interpretes...what is it?...who is it to?... |
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there is no real scripture for a tongue being interpreted as a prophecy...that is what i mean.... ....only a prayer or praise...
and one vs. that some try to make mean it...is questionable at best and could well mean something else and would run contrary to what we ae told the gift of tongues is.. |
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