Does god Exist?

nobody important · Cobra Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 462

The Question Athiests often ask "Does god Exist?" is a no brainer.

Of Course God Exists, I Can prove God Exists

The STATE in which God exists that I can not prove.

Either way God Exists

P1234567890 · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:38 am Post subject:

Ok, I'll bite. Go ahead and prove that God exists...

I just hope that you're using the word 'prove' in the same way that I understand it...

nobody important · Cobra Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 462

I think therefore I am. - Rene Descartes

We know that God exists because people believe he does.

He may or may not exst externally effecting humanity from the outside in to the individual person. But we do know that at the very least God exists in the minds of billions of people effecting humanity from inside the human person out into the rest of humanity.

either way God exists.

What does exist externally?

Does your house exist externally from your beliefs or does it exist solely because you believe it exists?

The universe exists but in what state?

An athiest simply chooses not to believe in God, therefore he does not exist to that person but an athiest is able to change that by choosing to believe and then God would exist.

The real question is not "does god exist" its obvious that he does.

I put it too you that you dont beleve God exists because you dont want to, not because he does or does not. That I believe in God because I want to believe in God not because he does or does not.

Why would a Christian want to believe in God is the more apt question for an athiest to ask a christian.

But the real question for you to ask is of yourself not others.... why do you not want to believe in God?

does santa exist, yes he does in the minds of many Children, but how many would recieve presents on Christmas Day from Santa.... none...why?

Because they (santa's) are locked up in insane asylums around the world - because adults dont believe in santa

But santa's do exist!

But it is our inner belief that manifests itself outwardly. We do not believe in Santa so automatically anyone who believes he is santa is automatically put in an insane asylum...why because he isnt santa or to protect our beliefs that santa does not exist?

FFT · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:46 am Post subject:

P1234567890 · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject:

nobody important · Cobra Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 462

but what does exist in the concept many people believe?

what is reality and how much influence do we have over reality?

do we ourselves even exist in the concept of existing that your talking about?

"Okay. In this way, yes. "God" is a real force, in that people believe in Him and make decisions based on this belief. This doesn't mean that God is real"

but it does mean he is real as real as you or me.

Infact I am living proof that God Exisits.

"Could you choose to believe in Zeus, thus making Zeus exist? "

of course you could.

"Be careful not to equivocate this with actually existing"

What is "actually existing"?

What things Actually exisit, can you prove that grass, trees, sky, planets, me, you and the universe actually exist?

"I disbelieve because I realized that I had no reason to believe. "

If you have no reason to believe or disbelieve why dont you believe?

"Actually I've taken to asking Christians if they'd be any different if they didn't believe in God. "

pretty poor question, its like askng would your life be any different if you didnt have a car!

"I'd like to avoid believing things which make no sense"

So Christianity makes no sense, I disagree strongly

"The problem is in the only ones like this I've seen there's no point to believing them in the first place."

there is a point, of course there is a point. If there were no point no one would believe the point is the philosophy behind christianity, the philosophy of Christ The greatest philosopher to walk the earth...and his mission to conceptualise and pursue the absolute ultimate of perfection, the ultimate expression of love to exist within a divine reality, his mission now becomes our mission.

"Santa is a story"

if a man said he was santa and the world believed he was santa, would he be santa?

"Some simply refuse to do the looking because they want to believe too badly"

and some have looked and realise there is nothing else to believe in.

"This is a pretty weak form of existence. "

can you prove anything exists beyond it?

"The number three also doesn't exist"

what is this then "3"?

is it just an abstract concept or a number

I could believe 3 + 3 = 2007 and I would be right but everyone would beieve I was wrong because everyone believes 3+3 = 6 therefore it does = 6

If 3 were an partially held belief then its existance could be doubted, and its power on the world limited but the whole world accepts 3 therefore it exists and has unlimited power on the world, 3, 6, 9, 12 so on and so forth infinitely powerful all multiples of 3.... 3 is a magic number...but so are the rest.

"I like to think that I don't believe in God because the arguments against His existence are more convincing than the arguments for His existence"

if you think the arguments against His existence are more convincing than the arguments for His existence, then they are to you, but again you have the power to think the other way.

I don't believe that I'm a multi-trillionaire, then you are not a multi trilionaire.

"I try very hard to distinguish between what I want and what I believe. "

there is a difference between wanting "things" and wanting to believe.

"I'd LOVE it if the Bible is right and if I could have eternal life in the presence of God; that would be fantastic! I'd like nothing more. So for me personally, I disbelieve in God DESPITE the fact that I want to believe that He does exist and that I'll never die."

So what is stopping you from belief except the way you are thinking, you have the power to change the way you think.

Belief is a conscious descsion to believe in God

Faith is a conscious descision to serve God.

You have the power to change the way you think, to believe or disbelieve, that is in your hand, you make the choice. you have the power to make a conscious choice to believe or not, you make a conscious choice to have faith in God or not.

God exists every Christian is proof of his existance, I am proof he exists, president bush being re-elected on moral issues is proof God exists but unless you make the conscious choice to believe he will aways remain an enigma to you....Now you know that he exists, if you choose to believe that he does then your next step is faith or lack of faith in God a conscious choice to serve God or not, follow the philosophy of Jesus or not

Does god exist, he does if you want him to.

Nothing more, nothing less.

P1234567890 · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject:

I think you've taken one too many philosophy classes...

Once you start questioning the nature of reality and if you exist and what existence is, then you're getting into a realm where you can convince yourself of anything.

I propose that we use science and scientific verifiability as our model for reasoning rather than philosophy.

FFT · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject:

P1234567890 · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject:

FFT · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject:

Our advising department insists it has one of the best Philosophy departments in the country, for what that's worth. I've yet to run into a bad teacher, though.

Ana · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:43 am Post subject:

I know I'm chiming in a little late, but I just read this and wanted to address it:

Ana · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:57 am Post subject:

P1234567890 · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:00 am Post subject:

Oh the transitivity of equality, it's a biotch...

nobody important · Cobra Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 462

"I propose that we use science and scientific verifiability as our model for reasoning rather than philosophy."

Why use that, what can sicence really prove, perhaps in one sense it can prove what does and does not exist in the concept of natural reality but it fails to prove if reality itself is reality in another sense.

therefore we live in a universe that is a buch of concepts, infact the the universe itself is a concept

Ana · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject:

Then why choose to believe in a God that will lovingly condemn you to an eternity of suffering when you can choose to believe in a magic fluffy rabbit that prevents diseases and grants everyone immortality? I mean, if it's all just concepts anyways...