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hugh
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Location: Botswana (Africa)
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 Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:51 am Post subject: |
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I don't disagree at all, but would you not agree that a true christian who walks on earth has the duty to plant the seed of christian faith to all non believers. Im not saying he should preach, but if one presents one self as a true christian, Others around him or her would see this and would want to be part of it. The other way i could exsplain this is, i was at a drill site one night having supper with the crew and the subject came out about god exsistance. I only said a few words of what i thought and left at that. But as a fellow christian said to me back home, what you did was plant the seed, thats all God wanted you to do, he will do the rest.
Well i dont know what one would call that kind of work maby some one can enlighten me, but i feel its of the same duty just in a lot smaller way. |
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nana
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| Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Greetings Hugh,
I agree with what you did. Praise the Lord. If one has the opportunity and has the Word in him let him screem it from the house tops. It is a glorious gospel and no one will come to the truth unless one hears it. It must be preached!
Romans 10:15, "And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!"
Some plant seeds and some win souls. There are no crops in the farmers field till the seed is sown. But, sometimes a seed is planted without a word spoken and sometimes a soul is won on down the line.
In Christ, Judy |
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daviddale3
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Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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Location: georgia
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Gee, isn't setting a good example a method of teaching? |
Never said that it wasn't. |
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daviddale3
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Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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Location: georgia
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Nana;
| Quote: | | The verses you are quoting were word spoken by Jesus to the eleven disciples, so these verses won't do in your case in point. It was they that went into all the world and preached the gospel. Check verse 16. |
No. I get the jist of it. Yes, Jesus was talking to the eleven at the time when he said these words. Problem is, as I stated, is what Jesus instructed them to do in verse 20. "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you; and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world." The 'them' represents those that the eleven taught. The eleven were to teach those that they taught to observe all things that Jesus had commanded the eleven to do. The word all is significant. It is all inclusive. One of the items that Jesus had taught the eleven to do was to teach others about the Gospel. The command to teach others is included in the all things that they were to observe. If it is not, please explain how it is excluded from the word all.
| Quote: | | Please don't get me wrong, I am not saying don't preach, I am just saying that preaching and teaching is not all mens calling. Some are introverted, some are busy dutifully raising a family, some are mute, but most importantly most don't know the Word. |
The things that you have listed are irrelevant (Matt. 6:33).
| Quote: | Do you think that anyone who says they are born again is qualified to preach or teach. Paul spent many years studing, and he had a head start; he knew the OT like the back of his hand.
Look at how many mistakes Peter made before he wrote his Epistle.
What I am saying David is that it would be expedient for one to stay out of the pulpit and off the streets until one know what he is talking about: until he has an answer for every man.
On this planet there is nothing more important thanto be knowledgeable in the Words of Truth. |
I agree whole heartly with you. Yet we must realize what God has commanded. That is to teach others about the Lord. One should stay out of any type of teaching if they do not have the proper knowledge of the Scriptures. However, this does not exclude us from the command to teach others. It is our responsibility to study the Scriptures in order to gain the knowlege needed to teach others. |
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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
Posts: 3255
Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Not All Meant To Win Souls |
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| nana wrote: | Greetings,
Perhaps I may sound contentious, but after years of study and meditation in the Word I am convienced that not everyone is meant to preach or teach. |
I agree with that statement.
Some serve best by healing the sick and injured.
Some serve best by raising food, vegetables, fruits, and such.
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I believe that many souls are out there that will do good just to 'hold fast to their profession of faith'. The do not need the guilt of not preaching or teaching. Face it, the focus in the Epistles was not for everyone to go out and preach but to "hold fast to their profession of faith until He comes".
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There are thousands out there preaching that have never read the Bible clear through, much less know what it says.... |
And, that is the GREATEST Danger, facing the individual Christian, today....NOT UNDERSTANDNG their BIbles !
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20.
The people of God are directed to the Scriptures as their safeguard against the influence of false teachers and the delusive power of spirits of darkness.
Satan employs every possible device to prevent men from obtaining a knowledge of the Bible; for its plain utterances reveal his deceptions.
At every revival of God's work the prince of evil is aroused to more intense activity; he is now putting forth his utmost efforts for a final struggle against Christ and His followers.
The last great delusion is soon to open before us.
So closely will the counterfeit resemble the true that it will be impossible to distinguish between them except by the Holy Scriptures.
By their testimony every statement and every miracle must be tested.
Those who endeavor to obey all the commandments of God will be opposed and derided. They can stand only in God.
In order to endure the trial before them, they must understand the will of God as revealed in His word; they can honor Him only as they have a right conception of His character, government, and purposes, and act in accordance with them.
None but those who have fortified the mind with the truths of the Bible will stand through the last great conflict.
To every soul will come the searching test: Shall I obey God rather than men?
(7th Day Sabbath --Sunday )
The decisive hour is even now at hand. Are our feet planted on the rock of God's immutable word?
Are we prepared to stand firm in defense of the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus ?
(Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan, by E. White Pg. 593)
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rjustice7
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Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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Location: Johnson City, TX
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:17 am Post subject: I agree... |
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I am with Revjp, when he says that being salt and light give us opportunities to be an impact on someone’s life. Not everyone is made to teach or preach, that is true. But I do believe we should be soul winners, even if it is only by being a good example. The Christian’s life should be a witness to others all by itself. A good thought indeed Judy.
-Rob |
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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:06 am Post subject: Re: I agree... |
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| rjustice7 wrote: | I am with Revjp, when he says that being salt and light give us opportunities to be an impact on someone’s life. Not everyone is made to teach or preach, that is true. But I do believe we should be soul winners, even if it is only by being a good example. The Christian’s life should be a witness to others all by itself. A good thought indeed Judy.
-Rob |
And as the example Jesus Christ set forth.......the 10 commandments were the guilding principles of His life, showing both LOVE for God and mankind.
He kept the 7th day sabbath (4th commandment) , because of His love for God.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: |
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SS, do everyone a favor and start your own thread with your anti-gospel doctrine and quit derailing good discussions with what has been shown scripturally to be false.
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Psa 118:8 It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man. |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
Posts: 4189
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Not All Meant To Win Souls |
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| nana wrote: | Greetings,
Perhaps I may sound contentious, but after years of study and meditation in the Word I am convienced that not everyone is meant to preach or teach.
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I Cor 12:29-31, "Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts? and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
I Cor 13:1-13 "...Charity (LOVE) And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity......."
In Christ, Judy |
You are correct: not everyone is to preach or teach.
But everyone is to have Love, and in that way of Love, each one still preaches the best sermon and teaches the best lesson: Love, even when not teaching or preaching.
And then, those who do teach and preach are to teach and preach in Love, which is like preaching and teaching twice or double.
There is a time to preach and teach in Love, and in Love there is a time to not preach nor teach, but there is never a time to not teach and preach Love.
in Love of being content and discontented, contentious and discontentious, a teaching student and a student teacher, a non-teaching student and an unstudious teacher,
atoz |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:01 am Post subject: Re: I agree... |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | And as the example Jesus Christ set forth.......the 10 commandments were the guilding principles of His life, showing both LOVE for God and mankind.
He kept the 7th day sabbath (4th commandment) , because of His love for God. |
Hi Silver Surfer,
I usta keep all the Holy days in levit 23!smile
Question: Can anyone keep the sabbath properly while still hating others who keep it as the Jews hated JC, and hating others who don't keep it as the Jews hated the Goim?
Is it a sin to hate work as it is to hate the sabbath rest?
Do you love or hate your job or any work?
Do you love God who planned to and plans to and will plan to deliberately 'push his ox in the ditch' and break the Sabbath every sabbath since creation and for all future generations by having His Furnace of His Sun work 7 days a week with no rest?smile
If so, then isn't Love a separate and more important commandment, and a law that comes before any of the Ten?
Please see Luke 18:9-14
Do you love sabbath breakers as God loves both the keepers and the breakers?
Sorry to ask so many questions, but just trying to encourage or enloven you to be the best sabbath keeper ever by always being in the Rest of Love for the sabbath and for workdays, for all workers and all resters. Heb. 4:8-11.
in the Rest-speed of Love for all rest and all work,
atoz |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | SS, do everyone a favor and start your own thread with your anti-gospel doctrine and quit derailing good discussions with what has been shown scripturally to be false. |
Hi RevJP,
Just curious: What is it about the anti-gospel doctrine that has been shown to be scripturally false?
in true Love for the true and false,
atoz |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:17 am Post subject: Re: Not All Meant To Win Souls |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | ....
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20.
The people of God are directed to the Scriptures as their safeguard against the influence of false teachers and the delusive power of spirits of darkness.
Satan employs every possible device to prevent men from obtaining a knowledge of the Bible; for its plain utterances reveal his deceptions.
.....
The last great delusion is soon to open before us.
..... To every soul will come the searching test: Shall I obey God rather than men?
(7th Day Sabbath --Sunday )
(Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan, by E. White Pg. 593) |
Hi SS,
Me again.
More questions for you:
Since God is light and God is Love, then light is Love.
1 john 1;5; 4;8.
Therefore, is the Light of Isa 8:20 is Love, so that is there is no Love in them when they speak against this Word Love, Love being the Word that is God and that God is per John 1:1?
Do you love satan as God says we are to love him or do you hate satan as Satan hates you? Matthew 5;43-48.
Do you love God when he sends strong delusion that will cause men to believe a lie as in 2 thess 2:9-11, while hating satan for satan sending his own delusions?
Or do you love both? or do you hate both?
matthew 6:24. 1 John 4:20.
Just trying to increase your faith by increasing your Love,
Luke 17:5-10, since faith works by Love. Galatians 5:6.
These questions are for anyone else or for everyone else too.
in godly Love for both God and satan, Exodus 23;22,
atoz |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: |
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atoz,
I'm not exactly sure what you are wanting to know, but let me clarify two things that our resident SDA (Silver Surfer) teaches, which are not scriptural:
1) The seventh day sabbath is 'Saturday'.
The truth:
Scripture does not and has not declared 'Saturday' as the sabbath day. 'Saturday' is mentioned no where in scripture, so in essence, the establishment of 'Saturday' is a construct of man, not God.
2) Anyone that worships, or attends 'church' on Sunday rather than Saturday is in violation of God's law and condemned to hell through disobedience.
The truth:
We are saved by grace, through faith; not of works.
Exodus 20:8-10 [Earnestly] remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy (withdrawn from common employment and dedicated to God). (9) Six days you shall labor and do all your work, (10) But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, your daughter, your manservant, your maidservant, your domestic animals, or the sojourner within your gates.
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: |
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Thanx, revJP.
| RevJP wrote: | atoz,
I'm not exactly sure what you are wanting to know, but let me clarify two things that our resident SDA (Silver Surfer) teaches, which are not scriptural:
1) The seventh day sabbath is 'Saturday'.
The truth:
Scripture does not and has not declared 'Saturday' as the sabbath day. 'Saturday' is mentioned no where in scripture, so in essence, the establishment of 'Saturday' is a construct of man, not God." |
In Love & Respect of those with whom I disagree, I happen to agree in Love with SS on that since the 24x7 day week has been a universal constant on which astronomers base their calculations, and every body knows what is the first day of 8th day of the 7-day week.smile
There is no record of anyone ever inventing the 7 day week.
It just is.
Or, is there?
Enlighten me, please.
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"2) Anyone that worships, or attends 'church' on Sunday rather than Saturday is in violation of God's law and condemned to hell through disobedience.
The truth:
We are saved by grace, through faith; not of works." |
In Love of SS with whom i disagree, I agree in love with you there since all grace and no grace, and all faith and no faith, and all works and all NO works work by Love: galatians 5:6 and 1 corin 13:1-3: which means that Love is the fulfilling of the Law and Love even fulfills no law, Romans 13:8-10. 1 corin 6:12. 10:23.
In the Truth of Love for whatsoever is false but honestly true to all men,
atoz |
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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
Posts: 3255
Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: Re: I agree... |
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| atoz wrote: |
Hi Silver Surfer,
Question: Can anyone keep the sabbath properly while still hating others who keep it as the Jews hated JC, and hating others who don't keep it as the Jews hated the Goim? |
Hate, kinda makes the sabbath null and void.
Since all God's commandments are based on LOVE, hate just doesn't quite fit into the scenerio of Love, does it ?
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Is it a sin to hate work as it is to hate the sabbath rest? |
Work, is suppose to be a blessing to men/women.
But then, since mankind has a depraved nature, I suppose that it is only natural for the UNsaved person to hate work as much as they hate the Lord's Day, the 7th day sabbath.
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Do you love or hate your job or any work? |
Actually, I like my job.
I work in a plastic manufacturing place, making medical equipment.
| Quote: | | Do you love God who planned to and plans to and will plan to deliberately 'push his ox in the ditch' and break the Sabbath every sabbath since creation and for all future generations by having His Furnace of His Sun work 7 days a week with no rest? |
I see by your question, that you have no understanding of God's sabbath day.
And as a result, you would NOT want to be in the New Earth, where the sabbath will be kept by everyone Isaiah 66:22,23.
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If so, then isn't Love a separate and more important commandment, and a law that comes before any of the Ten? |
Love CANNOT be separated from commandment-keeping.....
Jesus said: "IF..you love me, keep my commandments", (John 14:15)
1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
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Do you love sabbath breakers as God loves both the keepers and the breakers? |
God's Love, is not above God's Justice.
HE has promised the commandment-keepers are getting into heaven....
Revelation 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
22:15 For without (outside the city)[are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
And, Sunday worship services, is a lie, predicted in Daniel 7:25.....'think to change times and laws'.
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Sorry to ask so many questions, but just trying to encourage or enloven you to be the best sabbath keeper ever by always being in the Rest of Love for the sabbath and for workdays, for all workers and all resters. Heb. 4:8-11.
in the Rest-speed of Love for all rest and all work,
atoz |
OK.
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