The "first of all the commandments"

sandra3102 · Kitten Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 138

If we are to read the following verses, our Lord seems to point out the very foundation of salvation.

REVELATION OF HIS IDENTITY:

After Jesus went to Caesarea Philippi and people who saw and heard Him speak, saying, He is “John the Baptist, Elias, Jeremias, and one of the prophets,” He asked His Disciples:

• Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

• Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the CHRIST, the SON of the living God.

• Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Today, while people declare the same thing as Simon Peter did about Jesus, they cannot agree on the IDENTITY of Jesus:

• Some say, “Jesus is only a man and not God”
• Others say, a derivative, “Jesus is only a mighty for there is a supreme or Almighty God”
• Still others say, “Jesus Christ is the name of the Father and the Holy Spirit”
• Many say, “Jesus is both God and man and He is the 2nd person of the Trinity”

Something to think about:

What did Simon Peter see in JESUS calling Him, “CHRIST”
What did he see when he called Him, “SON of the living God?”

This is where the “trouble” or differences lie in identifying Jesus Christ. But Simon Peter TRULY and CLEARLY identified our Lord that “many believe he was made the head of a church organization.”

• Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, THAT THOU ART PETER, AND UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The TRUTH is, not only Simon Peter, but Martha like Simon Peter AFTER identifying Jesus as the CHRIST and the SON of the living God:

• Joh 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the CHRIST, the SON of God, which should come into the world.

So was Nathanael in the following:

• Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the SON of God; thou art the KING of Israel.

Therefore, it is appears that TRUE and CLEAR identification is the foundation of becoming the “temple of God” as in:

1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that YE ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Inviting comments.
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sandra3102 · Kitten Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 138

The Jews during the time of Christ, led by the Scribes and Pharisees, professed to worship FATHER God. But our Lord rebuked them:

• Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55 YET YE HAVE NOT KNOWN HIM…

Today, the “Christian” world, led by sects and denominations, profess to worship JESUS Christ. But our Lord casts this sharp rebuke:

• Joh 8:19 Then said …Jesus …Ye neither know me, nor my Father: IF YE HAD KNOWN ME, YE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN MY FATHER ALSO.

Today, how many people can claim they can identify FATHER God?

If we “open our eyes,” can we see any difference?
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Rocket · House Cat Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 160

If you are to post what is supposedly written in the Bible at least post it correctly. It is most certainly necessary to read the complete verse as it is written.

Matthew 16:16 reads "You are the Messiah, Simon Peter answered,"the son of the living God. Messiah means annointed, not God.

It is much easier to read the Bible keeping in mind, Yeshua/Jesus was a Jew and the Apostles were Jews also. As a Jewish person, Yeshua/Jesus would not claim to be God, nor wish to be God, and neither would the Apostles claim He was a God. This mistaken view of Yeshua/Jesus was given to us by a church deeply entrenched in a Pagen way of thinking.
When the early church was formed there were two views on the teachings of Yeshua/Jesus. One was from a Jewish viewpoint, the other from a pagen viewpoint. Remember, the apostle Paul was leader of the Pagen portion of the church. Peter was leader of the church in Jerusalem w/ James directly under Him. Unfortunately, in the forth century, the pagen viewpoint won out.
The church has tried to cast aside the fact that Yeshua/Jesus was a Jew, even to giving Him a Greek name. That's great, a Greek name Jesus for a Jewish man who was called Yeshua.

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

...sandra didn't you post the second post n another forum also?....yes...in the rev forum...

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

JESUS is JEHOVAH!!!!...GOD be praised!!... Very Happy

TBax · King Kong Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 2059

Matt 22:42 “What do YOU think about the Christ? Whose son is he?” They said to him: “David’s.” 43 He said to them: “How, then, is it that David by inspiration calls him ‘Lord,’ saying, 44 ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet”’? 45 If, therefore, David calls him ‘Lord,’ how is he his son?” 46 And nobody was able to say a word in reply to him, nor did anyone dare from that day on to question him any further.

Very Happy

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sandra3102 · Kitten Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 138

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:08 pm Post subject:

When Jesus is speaking about His Father....what name does He call Him?
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

zeroKnots · Tadpole Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 22 Location: Oregon

sandra3102 · Kitten Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 138

I cannot help praising God, not the trite, “Hallellujah,” “Praise the Lord,” “Glory to God in the highest,” but to the very TRUTH in His words!

I did not know this perfectly jibes with the following kind of praise of the Psalmist:

• Psa 56:10 In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word.

A. When Simon Peter told Jesus, “Thou art the CHRIST,” he “saw” Him as the TESTATOR of the Testament/Covenant FATHER God made in the Old Testament. Now He is in the “flesh” ready to fulfill it with His death on the cross as required in:

• Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

On the cross, no wonder Jesus exclaimed:

• Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, IT IS FINISHED...

B. When Simon Peter told Jesus, “Thou art the SON of the living God,” he “saw” Him as:

The model to the chosen:

• Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate TO BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON, THAT HE MIGHT BE THE FIRSTBORN AMONG MANY BRETHREN.

Showing the Way:

• Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I AM THE WAY...

By example!

• 1 Pet 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, LEAVING US AN EXAMPLE, that ye should follow his steps:

These are the two roles of JESUS that I never realized when I depended on somebody introducing Him and on leaning unto my own understanding trying to figure out who really is the One True God. Now,

• Psa 56:11 In God have I put my trust: I will not be afraid what man can do unto me.
• Psa 56:12 Thy vows are upon me, O God: I will render praises unto thee.
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Rocket · House Cat Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 160

zeroknots: you wrote
he really threw a monkey-wrench into my idea of trinity
if any one person, let alone lineage, plays into this primal relationship.
Who is the 'he' is this post, God, or Yeshua? I believe neither put the monkey wrench into any idea. It is the teaching of the churhes today who threw the monkey wrench my friend. Their teachings are on a different path then what Yeshua taught. They do not agree at all. To understand this all you have to do is read the Bible.

zeroKnots · Tadpole Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 22 Location: Oregon

zeroKnots · Tadpole Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 22 Location: Oregon

Rocket · House Cat Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 160

Zeroknots
But yeah, as if translations, historic context, alterations, and several authors arent enough, and interpretations are subjected to various church's ulterior motives, there IS NO language to convey these ideas.

I hear where you are coming from, and I understand it very well, you are me perhaps 20 years ago.
Yes, the translations of the Bible have been altered but you can still understand it if you look hard enough. To read the Bible from the bias of churchs, and historic texts and authors, you must understand who they are and what their beliefs are. For centuries, the church has taught one way, and most people believe what they teach. What the churches do not teach and try to forget, that Yeshua was a Jew. To read the Bible from a Christian perspective will lead you down that wrong path. To understand Yeshua is to understand He was a Jew, He was not God, but God's Word. So where I started was to understand the Jewish faith, which would be the faith of Yeshua. It's not a hard faith to understand, it is not a sin to understand it as the church teaches.

zeroKnots · Tadpole Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 22 Location: Oregon