The Rise of Persia?

saibe · Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject:

Amad is a coward. It's totally foolish of them capture the the soldiers and expect the British officials to award them with an apology. I dont understand their logic. This tactical move by the Iranians is part of a plot to defame America and it's allies by responding aggressively toward the Iranians capture of soldiers. The British officials are being patient and acting within reason for now.

Its insane to make the soldiers tediously apologize, we hear the words coming out of their mouths, but it's characheritized with pure resentment.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june07/iran_03-29.html

"British ministry of defense officials yesterday released the coordinates of where they said the British crew was: 1.7 nautical miles inside Iraqi waters.

The British also alleged that the Iranians on Saturday gave them coordinates that actually put the crew inside Iraqi waters. Then, when the British pointed that out, they say, the Iranians presented new coordinates on Monday that put the craft inside Iranian territory."

the Iranians are nuts, some anyway.

P1234567890 · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:48 am Post subject:

On the topic of general Muslim badness, I took my Canadian citizenship test the other day, and it was an interesting experience.

When handing out the test booklets, the lady in charge said, "Do NOT open your test booklets yet. I repeat: do NOT open your test booklets. If you open your test booklets, then it means that you do not understand what I am saying right now. That means that you do not understand English. That is grounds for IMMEDIATE failure, because you must be able to speak English in order to become a Canadian. We can fail you if you open it too soon."

Then she handed out the books, and literally half the people in the room opened their books as soon as she handed them out. She kept having to tell people over and over again not to open them, but she never failed anyone for it...

There were a lot of veils in the room; I felt a little like I was experiencing an invasion by Muslims who don't even speak English, and we were just handing out citizenship to them...

Incidentally, the test was TRIVIAL. I can't imagine that anyone could fail it, even if they didn't speak English.
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Pondering · King of the Jungle Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Posts: 1512

Interesting...

First, I assumed you were Canadian by birth...bad assumption on my part...

Second, I'll bet if YOU had opened your book, there's a higher chance she would have failed you. Having high standards is one thing. Enforcing them is another.

Third, I think the current "master plan" (and no I don't subscribe to a unified consiracy theory, I think it's more of a subconscious meme....) is to out breed us and use our own laws and culture (accomidation) to supplant the West...

The Brit sailor situation, France, the rampant self loathing of western culture in British/American press all point to "our" own rush to our demise....
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P1234567890 · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:39 am Post subject:

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45degreeN · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:25 am Post subject:

It was never about those sailors and more likely about what goes on in the heads of those mullahs. Rattling sabers or nukes is no simple thing and since they took the initiative they are the ones who need to lay down the game plans.

Apologizing is cheap very cheap. A few words from politicians who regularly lie anyway. What happens after the sailors are recovered is what matters. How it will affect the military situation in the Persian gulf in the short term future begs to be answered.

I doubt that Iran will come as cheaply as Iraq. Bigger country, slightly better military and lots of desert and mountains to cross.
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P1234567890 · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:38 am Post subject:

Occupying Iran would be a MAJOR mistake. America simply doesn't have the manpower to do it. You could win an air-war, though, with maybe a limited ground incursion in order to take out the nuclear facilities.

Does America have a sufficient number of armored divisions in Iraq right now in order to hold off an Iranian attack?
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Pondering · King of the Jungle Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Posts: 1512

doh! double post Embarassed

On other point...

Remember how I've mentioned that MidEast autocrats like to point to the West to distract attention from internal discontent? hmmm

Other interesting things...According to memri.org post, not alot of this Brit Sailor thing is being broadcast in the Persian language TV Channels. The Iranians are all over the Arab language channels though....why? They're telling the Arabs that they're strong enough to stand-up to the US/UK, so what chance do they have?

It's a complex problem. The simple solution is bloody...but then my solutions are often fairly Draconian...
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P1234567890 · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject:

knuckle · Young Wolf Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 501

Hi All--------

a friend of mine posted this on another board,I really liked it

Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Iran would free the 15 detained British sailors and marines.

Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Iran would free the 15 detained British sailors and marines Wednesday.

Ahmadinejad said this would be an Easter holiday "gift" to the British people.

"On the occasion of the birthday of the great prophet (Muhammad) ... and for the occasion of the passing of Christ, I say the Islamic Republic government and the Iranian people — with all powers and legal right to put the soldiers on trial — forgave those 15," Ahmadinejad said.

"This pardon is a gift to the British people," he said.

"On behalf of the great Iranian people, I want to thank the Iranian coast guard who courageously defended and captured those who violated their territorial waters," Ahmadinejad said at a news conference. "We are sorry that British troops remain in Iraq and their sailors are being arrested in Iran."

The captives would be taken to the airport at the end of the day, Iranian president said. An Iranian official in London said they would be handed over to British diplomats in Tehran and then it would be up to the Foreign Office to decide how they would return home.

Iranian state television also showed Ahmadinejad meeting with the British crew at the presidential palace, where he shook hands and chatted with them.

The release of the crew members would end a 13-day standoff between London and Tehran that was sparked when the crew was seized as it searched for smugglers off the Iraqi coast. Later, Iran broadcasted videos in which female British sailor Faye Turney and others "confessed" to entering Iranian territorial waters.

Britain denied Iranian claims the crew had entered Iranian waters and some experts suggested that "confessions" were made under pressure.

and for the occasion of the passing of Christ

Well Mr. Im-a-jihad - its on the occasion that Christ ROSE from the dead that we celebrate resurrection Sunday. Meanwhile, Mohamad is still in the grave.

much love--------knuckle

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