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Bismarck
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Tiptronic wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | I was watching a piece on the TV last night about radical Islam. They had some woman 'expert' saying something to the effect that the purpose of the Muslim woman is to serve Allah by having children, and to serve her husband.
Beyond that... there is no purpose for her life. |
A Muslims purpose, male or female, is to serve Allah. Beyond that, there is no purpose to life. |
Yea... right... that is why any country that practices any form of Sharia makes women ride in the backseat of a car... I guess her service just needs to be done from afar... and in the presence of a male relative.
Please... Tip... save the simple euphuisms for folks who aren’t familiar with the traditions and practices of Islam... for someone who has never seen it's depraved treatment of half of its adherents up close and personal.  |
11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women will be restored through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
1 Timothy 2
Doesn't Saul Paulus teach precisely what Islam is accused of teaching? |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| Bismarck wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | Tiptronic wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | I was watching a piece on the TV last night about radical Islam. They had some woman 'expert' saying something to the effect that the purpose of the Muslim woman is to serve Allah by having children, and to serve her husband.
Beyond that... there is no purpose for her life. |
A Muslims purpose, male or female, is to serve Allah. Beyond that, there is no purpose to life. |
Yea... right... that is why any country that practices any form of Sharia makes women ride in the backseat of a car... I guess her service just needs to be done from afar... and in the presence of a male relative.
Please... Tip... save the simple euphuisms for folks who aren’t familiar with the traditions and practices of Islam... for someone who has never seen it's depraved treatment of half of its adherents up close and personal. |
11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women will be restored through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
1 Timothy 2
Doesn't Saul Paulus teach precisely what Islam is accused of teaching? |
Ah.... no... unless you are able to point me to which predominently Chrisitan country is actually practicing this... I beleive we now differentiate between state and religous laws... That was kinda the point I was making. Where as... Islamic nations, where Sharia is practiced.. don't do this.
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| Bismarck wrote: |
This is a most excellent point. Please consider what you have just said! This notion, that murder qualifies us for heaven, came about at the same time in both Christendom (Catholicism) and Islam (beset by Catholic marauders).
Once more! Catholics invent the notion of "murder => heaven"...
And then their crusades "infected" Islam with the same notion (as a retaliatory response).
Martin Luther of Germany warned the world that Rome is the anti-Christ. The RCC is the root source of the "murder => heaven" doctrine. The aweful sins of Rome still haunt the west, and the world, to this day. |
If I'm not mistaken... which I'm pretty sure I'm not... the notion that if one dies fighting for their religion gets an automatic pass to heaven was an Islamic adaptation developed prior to the Crusades... not the other way around.
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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Tiptronic
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Trinity has an EXTREMELY good point here. Sharia treats women TERRIBLY.
For that matter, all of Muslim culture treats women badly. They have to sit at the back of the mosque. In some places they can't drive cars. In most places they don't even have the right to wear what they choose. |
Women are not even obliged to go to the Mosque, though they may do so if they wish. Are you not aware of the separation of the sexes in Islam? If so, tell me how you enforce that by allowing men and women to sit on the same row??? Logic my boy, use it.
Driving cars 'in some places', if you think about what places these are, isnt exactly practical, nevermind anything else.
As for the last point, a women can wear what she chooses as long as she is in accordance with Shar'iah, and keeping her modesty. But this is not confined just to women, but men also (I bet your hatefilled anti-Islamic website didnt mention that  ) as men have to dress modestly, and keep themselves covered.
| Quote: | | There was even a case where many schoolgirls were not allowed to leave a burning school and died because the 'authorities' wouldn't let them leave since they weren't wearing their headscarves. |
There was also the case of the boogey monster, or Santa getting stuck in the Chimney...sources, else Ill just ignore that.
| Quote: | It's a completely backwards and primitive way of life, and it's completely un-enlightened.
I'd even like to add that Muslim countries don't let women vote, but so few of them practice democracy that it's rather a moot point!!! |
Well, thats a no-brainer |
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Ana
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | There was even a case where many schoolgirls were not allowed to leave a burning school and died because the 'authorities' wouldn't let them leave since they weren't wearing their headscarves. |
There was also the case of the boogey monster, or Santa getting stuck in the Chimney...sources, else Ill just ignore that. |
Research, my boy, use it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1874471.stm
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P1234567890
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Joined: 11 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiptronic wrote: |
Women are not even obliged to go to the Mosque, though they may do so if they wish. Are you not aware of the separation of the sexes in Islam? If so, tell me how you enforce that by allowing men and women to sit on the same row??? Logic my boy, use it.
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Are you trying to prove my point for me? You've just admitted that separating the sexes is mandatory in Islam. In other words, your religion is OFFICIALLY sexist!
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Driving cars 'in some places', if you think about what places these are, isnt exactly practical, nevermind anything else.
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Impractical places such as Saudi Arabia, where women aren't allowed to drive in the entire country? They're also not allowed to ride bicycles!!!
And this is the Islamic holy land! Your religious is outrageously sexist! It treats women like second-class human beings. It's totally backwards!
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As for the last point, a women can wear what she chooses as long as she is in accordance with Shar'iah, and keeping her modesty.
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So in other words she can't wear what she chooses... Women in Islam don't even have the right to choose which clothing to wear! It's outrageous!
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But this is not confined just to women, but men also (I bet your hatefilled anti-Islamic website didnt mention that ) as men have to dress modestly, and keep themselves covered.
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Yeah, funny how the men don't have to wear veils, headscarves, or burghas, and women do... And yet you somehow think that men are treated the same as women when it comes to Islamic dress codes! Nice try!
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Well, thats a no-brainer |
Yeah, and how do you defend your religion against the fact that virtually every (or maybe every?) Muslim country on Earth is a dictatorship and that democracy seems to be incompatible with Islam?
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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Tiptronic
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| Ana wrote: | | Tiptronic wrote: |
| Quote: | | There was even a case where many schoolgirls were not allowed to leave a burning school and died because the 'authorities' wouldn't let them leave since they weren't wearing their headscarves. |
There was also the case of the boogey monster, or Santa getting stuck in the Chimney...sources, else Ill just ignore that. |
Research, my boy, use it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1874471.stm |
Thanks Ana, but you want to tell that to hearsay P?
As for the story, it was a dire failure on the part of the police, and to an extent maybe the government. But can you provide proof that this action was the right thing to do Islamically? |
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Tiptronic
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Tiptronic wrote: |
Women are not even obliged to go to the Mosque, though they may do so if they wish. Are you not aware of the separation of the sexes in Islam? If so, tell me how you enforce that by allowing men and women to sit on the same row??? Logic my boy, use it.
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Are you trying to prove my point for me? You've just admitted that separating the sexes is mandatory in Islam. In other words, your religion is OFFICIALLY sexist! |
Maybe sexist in the same way that you have washrooms/restrooms for males, and a seperate one for women. Segregation of the sexes is well known in Islam...but by dividing a cake in two, where is the inequality? 
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Driving cars 'in some places', if you think about what places these are, isnt exactly practical, nevermind anything else.
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Impractical places such as Saudi Arabia, where women aren't allowed to drive in the entire country? They're also not allowed to ride bicycles!!! |
How do you expect someone wearing a jilbaab to ride a bicycle? Walk before you can run in you arguments.
| Quote: | | And this is the Islamic holy land! Your religious is outrageously sexist! It treats women like second-class human beings. It's totally backwards! |
yawn...cming from the people who treat theirs like objects, but wait its all about freedom, the freedom to have yourself viewed as like an object.
| Quote: | | Tiptronic wrote: |
As for the last point, a women can wear what she chooses as long as she is in accordance with Shar'iah, and keeping her modesty.
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So in other words she can't wear what she chooses... Women in Islam don't even have the right to choose which clothing to wear! It's outrageous! |
If you call yourself a Muslim, you have to follow the rules of the religion? You with me? If the religion states you must dress modestly, then that is what you do, as a follower of that religion. Simple to understand. Im sorry it cant be like France where a Muslim women can freely have the right to wear a headscarf, or like Britain, where they can wear it without having mass hysterics in the media over it, politicians calling for its ban, etc or like Italy where religious minorities, especially Muslims are set to follow a value code, where they cant cover their faces.
come back to the rest of the post later. You bore me. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:08 am Post subject: |
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How do you expect someone wearing a jilbaab to ride a bicycle? Walk before you can run in you arguments.
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That's right, your sexist clothing laws perfectly defend your sexist mobility laws! Nice!
At this point I'd like to bring out my sledgehammer of an argument and say that you believe that it was ok that Mohammed had sex with a pre-teen.
That calls into question both your judgment and your ethics.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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Tiptronic
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Tiptronic wrote: |
But this is not confined just to women, but men also (I bet your hatefilled anti-Islamic website didnt mention that ) as men have to dress modestly, and keep themselves covered.
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Yeah, funny how the men don't have to wear veils, headscarves, or burghas, and women do... And yet you somehow think that men are treated the same as women when it comes to Islamic dress codes! Nice try! |
Err...maybe because men and women are biologically different (have a look next time you see a woman and a man next to each other, they do kinda look different )
| Quote: | | Tiptronic wrote: |
Well, thats a no-brainer |
Yeah, and how do you defend your religion against the fact that virtually every (or maybe every?) Muslim country on Earth is a dictatorship and that democracy seems to be incompatible with Islam? |
Will you cut it with your tripe about democracy, for the love of God! Not everyone wants to live under democracy. |
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Tiptronic
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Tiptronic wrote: |
How do you expect someone wearing a jilbaab to ride a bicycle? Walk before you can run in you arguments.
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That's right, your sexist clothing laws perfectly defend your sexist mobility laws! Nice!
At this point I'd like to bring out my sledgehammer of an argument and say that you believe that it was ok that Mohammed had sex with a pre-teen.
That calls into question both your judgment and your ethics. |
Oh give me strength. Dont blame me for you inept ability to understand matters that arent familiar to you.
Right this is really getting boring now. As per usual, you fail to defend anything, and go off on a tangent (which usually either ends up relating to democracy or seperation of Church and State). Its the reason I was away for a while. Ill be off again now, and maybe Ill come back when you can have a half decent argument. See ya around. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Oh give me strength. Dont blame me for you inept ability to understand matters that arent familiar to you. |
What's to understand? Islam is a repressive religion which treats its women badly. When he was a dirty old man, Islam's prophet had sex with a pre-teen. How much more do I need to understand?
There isn't anything you can say that will make those things right. The argument is over by default and you lose before you even open your mouth.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| Tiptronic wrote: | | Will you cut it with your tripe about democracy, for the love of God! Not everyone wants to live under democracy. |
What? Are you serious? Are you saying that the majority of those who live under the Theocratic strangle holds of our favorite Iranian Clerics or the despots that reign supreme across the Arabian Peninsula like it that way? They like not having any say so in their future? Please... I think you need to quantify your statement.
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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Tiptronic
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Tiptronic wrote: |
Oh give me strength. Dont blame me for you inept ability to understand matters that arent familiar to you. |
What's to understand? Islam is a repressive religion which treats its women badly. When he was a dirty old man, Islam's prophet had sex with a pre-teen. How much more do I need to understand?
There isn't anything you can say that will make those things right. The argument is over by default and you lose before you even open your mouth. |
Yet again....cant you keep a coherent argument going? You sound like a broken record. |
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Tiptronic
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Tiptronic wrote: | | Will you cut it with your tripe about democracy, for the love of God! Not everyone wants to live under democracy. |
What? Are you serious? Are you saying that the majority of those who live under the Theocratic strangle holds of our favorite Iranian Clerics or the despots that reign supreme across the Arabian Peninsula like it that way? They like not having any say so in their future? Please... I think you need to quantify your statement. |
Yes it is shocking isnt it?! God forbid, not everyone wants democracy!!
Look how well the Iraqis have taken to your democracy for example? Aran despots equate to Islamic leaders? Are you stupid trinity?
In fact, the majority in Arab countries would prefer the Islamic state, but its these despots which are suppressing them. Case in example, look at Egpyt, under the 'democratic' clown Mubarak, and how he's had to constantly rig elections, outlaw the Muslim Brotherhood, etc. Read up on the MB, and their support amungst the Egyptian people. |
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